m3at
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Some great info in this article. Pretty much stuff we already know.
https://hoopspeak.com/2012/12/utahs-lineup-madness/
https://hoopspeak.com/2012/12/utahs-lineup-madness/
Article about the Utah Jazz lineups.
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Weezur
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lol.
Foye might be seeping into Roger territory-
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Here’s where Foye has been different – when he’s on the court, Utah scores 104.4 points per 100 possessions and allows 110.1 points per 100 possessions, for a -5.7 net. When he’s off the floor, those numbers flip – Utah scores 111.8 points/100 and allow 102.5 points/100, for a +9.3 net. Combine the two and Foye is costing Utah FIFTEEN POINTS per 100 possessions just by stepping on the court. That’s the difference between being the Heat and being the Bobcats.
EDIT- AND MORE! Good article OP, rep your way a comin
This is also funny
Sit Foye and play Hayward instead? +29.0 per 100 possessions. Yes, you read that correctly. A 50-point swing with one substitution.
Foye might be seeping into Roger territory-
Quote-
Here’s where Foye has been different – when he’s on the court, Utah scores 104.4 points per 100 possessions and allows 110.1 points per 100 possessions, for a -5.7 net. When he’s off the floor, those numbers flip – Utah scores 111.8 points/100 and allow 102.5 points/100, for a +9.3 net. Combine the two and Foye is costing Utah FIFTEEN POINTS per 100 possessions just by stepping on the court. That’s the difference between being the Heat and being the Bobcats.
EDIT- AND MORE! Good article OP, rep your way a comin
This is also funny
Sit Foye and play Hayward instead? +29.0 per 100 possessions. Yes, you read that correctly. A 50-point swing with one substitution.
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David Locke's quote is pathetic. I hope he meant We don't know if Burks will ever be better than Foye at shooting the three. Because that's all he's got.
he didn't. locke is IN LOVE with randy foye the human/upstanding citizen and generally drops his charity work into any discussion relating his worth to the ballclub.
ps. hi jazzfanz. been lurking a while.
Gyp Rosetti
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Burks +/- rocks, eh?
dipship31
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Also nice to see that our best +/- line-up consists of:
Tinsley (Better distributor over Mo)
Hayward (Better than Foye)
Marvin (Good SF fit)
Favors (Perfect compliment to Al)
Jefferson (Perfect compliment to Favors)
That is the type of line-up we should be striving for moving forward.
Tinsley (Better distributor over Mo)
Hayward (Better than Foye)
Marvin (Good SF fit)
Favors (Perfect compliment to Al)
Jefferson (Perfect compliment to Favors)
That is the type of line-up we should be striving for moving forward.
mellow
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He didn't! Locke has had a man crush on Burks since before the 2011 draft, why is he backing off now? Everything I see makes me believe Burks can be a player--what is going on behind the scenes that has everyone in the Jazz organization down on him?
dipship31
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Another interesting part:
If you want factor offensive and defensive rebounding together, Utah rebounds 55.4 percent of all misses without Foye on the floor, and 46.8 percent of misses with him on the floor. You can probably guess the disparity here, but 55.4 percent would be the best in the league, and 46.8 percent would be the worst in the league.
I don't think Randy is entering Roger territory, because I do feel he's been important to us at times this year and he is our best 3-point shooter. Just bring him in for 10-15 minutes a night, gun a few threes, and call it a game.
If you want factor offensive and defensive rebounding together, Utah rebounds 55.4 percent of all misses without Foye on the floor, and 46.8 percent of misses with him on the floor. You can probably guess the disparity here, but 55.4 percent would be the best in the league, and 46.8 percent would be the worst in the league.
I don't think Randy is entering Roger territory, because I do feel he's been important to us at times this year and he is our best 3-point shooter. Just bring him in for 10-15 minutes a night, gun a few threes, and call it a game.
billyshelby
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Locke is such a clownshoes analyst. Not only does he trumpet his own Locke Offensive Rating which absolutely nobody besides himself even looks at, but he just went an entire broadcast "analyzing" the Jazz offensive shortcomings without even once suggesting the problem might be Ty.
Different lineups are not going to solve this mess. We have one of the worst half court offenses in the entire league and a coach who is in way over his head.
Different lineups are not going to solve this mess. We have one of the worst half court offenses in the entire league and a coach who is in way over his head.
billyshelby
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Also loved Locke bemoaning the "loss' of Mo Williams. Prior to GS, the Jazz were 5-1 without Mo (if you include an 8 minute game in which he thankfully got injured). 5-1 in only a 30 game sample is relatively significant. Jazz averaged 100 points in those 6 games.
dipship31
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Agreed, the article kind of hints that with some line-up tweaks we'd go from one of the worst rebounding teams to one of the best by benching Randy! Won't happen, but I think this article makes it pretty clear that different line-ups would at least improve our success rate.
Since Burks never plays, Locke is technically correct.
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Hotdog
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Yo, hey, whats up, good to have ya, tell us more about your alts, I mean yourself.
billyshelby
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Figuring out the 5 players who play best together is always important regardless of system. I totally agree. But that would only mask the problem.
And people need to remember, Locke is paid by his employer NOT to discuss Ty in a critical light. As is most of the Utah media that the Jazz owns. So all we'll hear is meaningless garbage like the "players need to play with more consistent effort!" or "if this guy was playing a little more efficiently, everything would be better!" or "lets not forget that we weren't supposed to be good!"
Crawlnstall
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Foye is ice cold right now, obviously, and he is killing the team. Bad defender, poor shooter, bad passes. I'd love to see more of Hayward and more of Burks. Bring Foye in for 12 mins or so, let him chuck some 3's and if he's hot keep him in the game, if not yank him. Why keep a player on the court for over 28 minutes if he is only good at one thing, 3's, and isn't even doing that well