The future is very bright in Utah

[A-Train (old)]

I know the Jazz didn't make a trade like we all wanted them too, but the Jazz have young pontentially great players in Favors, Burks, Hayward and Kanter. Jazz also currently have the #18 and #19 picks in the 2013 NBA Draft and they have the potential to add to the "Core Four" with a young point-guard. Not to mention the Jazz will have the second most cap-room in the whole league in the offseason meaning they could go after someone liek Brandon Jennings or Jeff Teague.

 

[Hotdog]

This is true.

And thats what the fans want to see.

But you are wrong about the free agency aspect. They aren't going after any big names. That money is being saved for players we aren't even sure what they are worth yet.

 

[bigmike]

This is true.

And thats what the fans want to see.

But you are wrong about the free agency aspect. They aren't going after any big names. That money is being saved for players we aren't even sure what they are worth yet.

I assume you're referring to Favors, Kanter, Burks & Hayward?

You're likely right. Keeping that nucleus intact is priority #1 for the next few offseasons. However, we do have the ability to take on a big name via trade (a la Al Jefferson). Teams get creative with free agency, sign-and-trades, etc. Big names are on the move every offseason.

None of us know exactly what was on the table re: Eric Bledsoe. But I'm fine standing pat. Assuming we re-sign Al and lose Paul, I think we're the #4-#6 seed in the West next year, and hopefully even better in the following years as the Four and our TBD PG-of-the-future continue to emerge.

 

[Sandy Braille]

I can't wait to see O'Connor and Lindsey work up a pimpass offseason, and then go through these threads one by one, just so I can bring up past notes of butthurt posters acting as if they know basketball management more than two dudes who have 30 times the qualifications.

Don't even bother confirming this.

 

[NUMBERICA]

... if _______...

 

[Park Bites]

I see the jazz letting either of millsap or Jefferson walk. re-sign the other for starting around 10 mil then fill the rest of the roster with 1 year vet players. Carroll should get a contract offer as will foye. to be honest mo Williams is injured to much.

 

[nateboz]

Here's the real truth. The Jazz will be worse next year than this. Utah does not attract high caliber free agents, no matter how much we want to think otherwise. Sign and trade is the best we can now hope for. Jazz management royally effed up this year.

 

[Tony]

I used to like Jennings but really he's a huge chucker, taking a lot of shots away from teammates. He's a less than stellar distributor and seems a little immature. I don't think he'd mesh at all with any of our players. Regardless, I'm pretty sure he's gonna resign with Milwaukee this off-season, getting a huge contract.

I honestly think Kennis O'Lindsey is gonna resign Mo.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I'm starting to think the thing holding the Jazz back is coaching and lack of a system. San Antonio is blistering teams, and to be honest, their talent isn't that great. Tony Parker is a borderline superstar, but Duncan is far from what he used to be, and the rest are pretty average players, save when Manu puts a vintage game together. That coach and system just keeps rolling.

 

[Game6Conley]

I used to like Jennings but really he's a huge chucker

tho its true i almost dont want to believe it.
ill always remember him not shooting much and going for the assist record in the mcdonalds all-american game... the footage of him pre-draft certainly screams A+ athletecism/body control, hes got crazy panache, definetly loves to talk trash and back it up. im a lefty and am biased towards them in all sports, id still take em(@Market-value) next year over mo.

still cannot believe my team at the time, the knicks, took jordan hill over him(i wouldent be here today).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOGDnLbSXE

https://autos.ca.msn.com/editors-pi...nd-modest-cars-of-the-rich-and-famous?page=14
^^ not as much of a knucklehead as you may think.

 

[green]

I see the jazz letting either of millsap or Jefferson walk. re-sign the other for starting around 10 mil then fill the rest of the roster with 1 year vet players. Carroll should get a contract offer as will foye. to be honest mo Williams is injured to much.

Al will get a max deal from someone and Millsap will get at least 13 million.

I hope all the Jazz offer is 10 million, because then I know Al will be gone.

 

[Hotdog]

Al will get a max deal from someone and Millsap will get at least 13 million.

I hope all the Jazz offer is 10 million, because then I know Al will be gone.

Its funny how all we heard this year ftom our fan base on here is how worthless Jefferson is and how little value he has. Yet, somehow everyone seems to contend he will be offered 12 million+ per year or even max. So which is it? Is he worthless or not?

 

[green]

Its funny how all we heard this year ftom our fan base on here is how worthless Jefferson is and how little value he has. Yet, somehow everyone seems to contend he will be offered 12 million+ per year or even max. So which is it? Is he worthless or not?

He puts up good numbers. That has value. Not if you want to win a title. He is very valuable to a team that needs someone to be a #2 or #3, or needs to make a push for the playoffs.

For the Jazz, with two #3 picks at Al's position, Al is not valuable.

Either one of two will happen:

1 - KOC will admit that Favors hasn't panned out or he thinks Kanter is a bust

or

2 - They let Al walk, because they believe their two #3 picks will be cornerstones of this team.

You can't have Al at max money, and expect to keep Kanter, Favors, Burks and Hayward together.

 

[Game6Conley]

He puts up good numbers. That has value. Not if you want to win a title. He is very valuable to a team that needs someone to be a #2 or #3, or needs to make a push for the playoffs.

For the Jazz, with two #3 picks at Al's position, Al is not valuable.

Either one of two will happen:

1 - KOC will admit that Favors hasn't panned out or he thinks Kanter is a bust

or

2 - They let Al walk, because they believe their two #3 picks will be cornerstones of this team.

You can't have Al at max money, and expect to keep Kanter, Favors, Burks and Hayward together.

 

[jope]

Its funny how all we heard this year ftom our fan base on here is how worthless Jefferson is and how little value he has. Yet, somehow everyone seems to contend he will be offered 12 million+ per year or even max. So which is it? Is he worthless or not?

Monetary worth he has, (especially by casual fans and people who just see his box score totals). He just has too little value in contributing to winning basketball for most fans that get to see him every day.

 

[Game6Conley]

what qualifications do you have, (above 'casual fans') that makes your opinion on player values superior to lets say KOC...

"Philadelphia 76ers Director of Player Personnel (1997–99) Regional scout Jazz (1994–97) Regional scout Nets (1990–94) Regional scout Trail Blazers Regional scout Clippers Assistant coach UCLA (1979–84) Assistant coach Virginia Military Institute (1974–76) Assistant coach Colorado (1976–79) Assistant coach Virginia Tech (1972–74) Served in U.S. Army (1969–71)"
is what i see on KOC's wikipedia page, before he got to the jazz and drafted deron, and paul and mo in the 2nd round.

why are your assertions more correct than his again? i COULD be wrong, you COULD be right.

but why should i take any credence in your opinion over someone whos made millions of dollars over the course of 40+ years of basketball, on his opinions.

because of what you observe from your tv and read on the internet?

sorry to be crass, but thats life.

 

[vegas]

I'm just going to throw this out there, is it possible that Corbin/KOC et al understand exactly what the C4 are and the reality is that they don't get us close to where we want to go?

Another possible message is that the C4 just have to wait because the franchise can't survive if they miss the playoffs.

I'm not saying I believe either of those, I am saying I have no clue where this bus is going.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Here's the real truth. The Jazz will be worse next year than this. Utah does not attract high caliber free agents, no matter how much we want to think otherwise. Sign and trade is the best we can now hope for. Jazz management royally effed up this year.

Boozer and Memo weren't bad. But that required overpaying and taking a huge risk with an unproven Okur. Boozer was a bit more of a known quantity; he just wasn't being utilized in Cleveland.
I disagree re: management. Jazz took a chance with Marvin because his salary is off the books after next season, when Favors and Hayward need to be re-signed. It's likely most offers were either a salary dump for a couple of years, or else they wanted one of our guys in return (probably Burks). That was likely the case with the rumored deal for Bledsoe. The SA offer was for junk. Splitter < Jefferson and Mills is a scrub. No way would Tiago opt in next season; he's due for a huge raise. May as well keep Al and ride out the season. And MAYBE he gives Utah a bit of a hometown discount if the Jazz offer a 4 year deal. Yes, that puts Utah in the luxury tax in 3 years (when Kanter and Burks get new deals), but only for one season. And it would give Utah a great rotation, with Kanter and Favors still getting 30 mins each.

I think we found a couple of quality FA's in Foye and Carroll. And Mo will be back. So that puts the Jazz at 7 core players. I'm not counting Marvin in that group. Maybe Al or Paul return to make that 8. The Jazz just need to look for one more: a young PG who will gradually take over the starting job from Mo, just as Stockton developed behind Rickey Green for a couple of years. And add to that a 4th big (or 3rd if Al AND Paul leave). That's the core. You fill in behind that group with cheap vets (like Tinsley) and draft picks.

Financial freedom was the MOST important thing to maintain at the deadline. Jazz could very well pick up a great addition from a team needing to clear space. Who knows, maybe that's even Bledsoe from the Clippers once CP3 re-signs. You never know what deal will arise or who can be signed for cheap once most other teams have used up their cap space.

 

[gregbroncs]

I agree that the future is bright. I'm just frustrated that it should be further along by now. I see no point in continuing to play Millsap and Jefferson. If they are both back next year the fans will revolt big time so why continue giving them 30+ MPG? This team is not going anywhere in the post season so what really is the motivation by the coaching staff of sticking with Millsap and Jefferson and to a lesser extent Marvin, Tinsley, Watson and Mo?

 

[green]

I'm just going to throw this out there, is it possible that Corbin/KOC et al understand exactly what the C4 are and the reality is that they don't get us close to where we want to go?

Another possible message is that the C4 just have to wait because the franchise can't survive if they miss the playoffs.

I'm not saying I believe either of those, I am saying I have no clue where this bus is going.

Do you believe the Jazz will let Al AND Millsap walk?

Do you think the Jazz can win a title with Al OR Millsap as the highest paid player?

If you answered "no" to either question then you know exactly where the Jazz "bus" is going...first round exits.