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The Official Fire Ty Corbin Thread

infection said:
So where does our franchise, as presently constituted, stand? Do we know or are we just following the template? If it didn't follow the template, would you recognize it?
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I think people need to remember that the Jazz are the UTAH JAZZ from SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH. Very few players want to play here if they have any other options, big name coaches would rather coach elsewhere (IMO), there are a lot of disadvantages the Jazz have to deal with. Now Greg Miller is a douche, everyone can agree on that, Ty makes mistakes ( I don't think he is as stupid as some do, but thats neither here nor there), I think KOC is very good (for some reason idiots on here think he sucks), Lindsey .... ehh I don't know but I think being with the Spurs for so long probably means he has a clue. I would rather stay the course and continue to be a good team, that is competitive, that may not be in the hunt for a championship often, but that wins games pretty consistently. As far as Durr saying he is not content with being the Hawks of the west, well Atlanta is a place that a lot of players wouldn't mind playing, SLC is not. The Hawks should be better, they have a lot of advantages that Utah doesn't. I like to be realistic, and I think it is realistic to be happy with a Utah team that can make the playoffs in a tough western conference. Hell yeah I want a championship, but I unless EVERYTHING works out perfectly I dont think that is a realistic scenario.

Al needs to go I dont think the FO was turning down deals for good wings and PG's at the trade deadline. Better to have him walk and not have to take on a dumb *** like Marvin Williams in return for him. Paul can go to but I wouldn't be super mad if he got resigned for a reasonable price. We need a PG, but hey there aren't a ton of really good PG's just floating around out there aimlessly. Favors, Kanter, Burks, and Hayward have shown they can be really good NBA players, but I doubt they will make the Jazz championship contenders.

This post probably made no sense so I'll just sum it up. I think the FO is doing a good job, I think Corbin is doing an ok job, not sure who people want to replace him with (SVG and JVG aren't coming, and JVG sucks ******** anyways), KOC and Lindsey usually make the right move, the Jazz are a tiny market in a caucasian/conservative stronghold with cold weather so fans should be happy they Jazz are even still relevant.

Its cool to have your head in the clouds, but I think some reason is ok also.
 
Stoked said:
Now here is a better arguement. I agree that Favors should have played in the 4th. Ty showing his poor management skills.
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I really wish Favors would have played, but still, we were down 15(?) when he went out and Kanter and Millsap brought us back, both are far superior offensively, Kanter was 4-6 with 12 pts and 7 boards in the final 17 mintues, not bad at all. Millsap hit some really big shots (gotta hit both free throws though) .... the only reason to bring Favors back in is to not hurt his feelings.
 
We were down not because of Favors but because of Earl and Co. You don't sit a guy after he's having a career game. Kanter and Sap might've been ok but not as good as Favors. There are a lot more reasons than not hurting his feelings. It's called knowing how to manage people, which Corbin doesn't seem to understand.

Oh, and I talked to some lady in Jazz basketball operations, Kristy -- I think was her name. What an airhead. We support Coach Corbin, we like what he's doing, etc, etc. Sounded a like a computer recording. Wonder if she watched the game last night.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
We were down not because of Favors but because of Earl and Co. You don't sit a guy after he's having a career game. Kanter and Sap might've been ok but not as good as Favors. There are a lot more reasons than not hurting his feelings. It's called knowing how to manage people, which Corbin doesn't seem to understand.

Oh, and I talked to some lady in Jazz basketball operations, Kristy -- I think was her name. What an airhead. We support Coach Corbin, we like what he's doing, etc, etc. Sounded a like a computer recording. Wonder if she watched the game last night.
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Dude, they pay her to say that stuff. How dare she do her job!!! What answer were you expecting?
 
Stoked said:
OK now the D part I can get behind. However the bolded part is a false arguement to me as Kanter and Millsap were going off as well.

I agree on Corbin.
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Millsap 7-17 and getting stuffed by sanders time and time again does not equal going off to me. (he did get to the line pretty good, but i still dont consider that going off)
 
PKM said:
It. is. not. about. what. Favors. could. have. brought. to. the. table.

It's about Favors earning more than ZERO minutes in the final 17 and staying seated. It's about team chemistry. It's about having confidence in your coach. It's about being given a reason to kick ***.

I bet even those that played are perplexed and pissed that Favors wasn't rewarded.
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Nicely said
 
sojodave said:
What really hurts is when we are clearly out-coached in a game. The Bucks game was a glaring example of Ty's incompetence. Not playing Favors in the forth, having three starters who didn't score, the final play in regulation, not fouling when up by three, I could go on and on. I don't know if Ty is just playing it safe and trying to please the GMs. But he clearly is not improving so why not be your own coach. Get out of Jerry's shadow and be your own man.
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Not fouling when up by 3 was so stupid....... alot of coaches dont do it also, so im not too upset at corbin for that one, but i think every team should foul in that situation... i have seen too many game tying 3's in that situation, so why not take a way the option to tie and make them stay 1 point behind
 
This is typical cognitive dissonance.

Corbin played Hayward, Burks, and Carroll together down the stretch and in OT. Bitch for months about getting something just to have your world view shattered by finally getting it and seeing it fail. Fanz need a scapegoat to mask reality with, hence the hate for Corbin and him playing Millsap over Favors. There was only one vet left to blame and the brain defaulted to Millsap without need for any explanation why. It's the adult version of a binky and a blanky.
 
Hartsock said:
I really wish Favors would have played, but still, we were down 15(?) when he went out and Kanter and Millsap brought us back, both are far superior offensively, Kanter was 4-6 with 12 pts and 7 boards in the final 17 mintues, not bad at all. Millsap hit some really big shots (gotta hit both free throws though) .... the only reason to bring Favors back in is to not hurt his feelings.
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Well we lost either way so i would rather lose with a happy favors, than lose with an upset favors.
 
If the Jazz are making a big comeback, get within a few points and he makes a change that doesn't work out he gets killed also. "Stay with what was working" "God damn, dont just sub for the sake of subbing" Whine whine whine, if Millsap hits that free throw its all good.
 
Hartsock said:
Haha, in hindsight yes, if I knew we were going to lose I would be all for Favors playing 48 minutes.
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Ya i agree my post was kinda stupid.
 
Hartsock said:
If the Jazz are making a big comeback, get within a few points and he makes a change that doesn't work out he gets killed also. "Stay with what was working" "God damn, dont just sub for the sake of subbing" Whine whine whine, if Millsap hits that free throw its all good.
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Another good point and true..... the other side of the coin is "if favors comes in for millsap and we win the game then everyone loves corbin and our future get some great experience and confidence and everyone is happy"

Where as if we win last night with sap, we would be happy but still have questions about favors treatment and minutes given while he was playing a great game.

I think the option of bringing favors back and winning, making everyone happy would have been the best option but thats just me.
 
franklin said:
This is typical cognitive dissonance.

Corbin played Hayward, Burks, and Carroll together down the stretch and in OT. Bitch for months about getting something just to have your world view shattered by finally getting it and seeing it fail. Fanz need a scapegoat to mask reality with, hence the hate for Corbin and him playing Millsap over Favors. There was only one vet left to blame and the brain defaulted to Millsap without need for any explanation why. It's the adult version of a binky and a blanky.
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Braindead or trolling.
 
What a bunch of homers ... justify whatever despite the outcome. How many of you guys have been on a roll and the coach takes you out? How do you feel? How would you feel if you are better than those guys? How would you feel if your team lost and you know if you played they would've won. Would you think the coach had it out for you? I can think of numerous situations where Favors could've been subbed in, and numerous justifications -- defense, fresh legs, the guy's self-confidence, reward for good play, consideration of future team chemistry, consideration for Favors wanting to stay in Utah.

Listen, we've seen it time and again that Corbin is very poor at subbing in the right player at the right time, is not good with matchups -- just think Randy Foye guarding go-to players down the stretch.

Just heard Bill Oram and he said Corbin's MO is play vets over youth -- well, the vets we got aint going to get us to the mountaintop, but these young guys got the potential, so let's start thinking big instead of the last spot in the playoffs. When we traded DWill the idea was to build for the future. If not, we should've kept DWill.
 
fishonjazz said:
Another good point and true..... the other side of the coin is "if favors comes in for millsap and we win the game then everyone loves corbin and our future get some great experience and confidence and everyone is happy"

Where as if we win last night with sap, we would be happy but still have questions about favors treatment and minutes given while he was playing a great game.

I think the option of bringing favors back and winning, making everyone happy would have been the best option but thats just me.
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In a perfect world I'd be having 5 somes with SI swimsuit models on the reg.
 
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