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The Thriller

The Thriller

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In okc even though Denver was playing the back end of a b2b.

We both traded our franchise players about the same time. Yet, they're looking awesome now. Our franchises are headed in opposite directions. Why?

What does Denver have that we don't?

Think Denver could actually make the finals?
 
The Thriller said:
In okc even though Denver was playing the back end of a b2b.

We both traded our franchise players about the same time. Yet, they're looking awesome now. Our franchises are headed in opposite directions. Why?

What does Denver have that we don't?

Think Denver could actually make the finals?
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A good coach
 
Denver has a roster that is actually cohesive as one piece, not two separate teams like Utah's.

They obviously have a better coach and they have better veterans. Also, their young guys are further along into their development than our young guys. I don't see any reason why we can't the Nuggets, with less speed and more size, in two years.
 
The Nugs are legit threats, imo. I'm happy for their fans... that is a fun team playing a winning brand of bball.
 
NAOS said:
The Utah Jazz -- where a "winning culture" somehow occludes "championship vision."

* the melt down corresponded with the trade deadline. hmmm...

*This is what happens when you con con con and keep conning like a mother ****er.

*even though he was dealt an odd hand, Corbin has still ****ed this over. Hard.
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Holy **** yes.
 
NUMBERICA said:
And got a better package of actual players. Not just picks, a piece of junk has-been throw-in, and a raw big.
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I like what we got better in the end, the real difference is that they drafted Faried who has been a perfect pick for them, and already had Lawson who has since become a top 10 (top 7 or 8 maybe?) pg, plus a great coach.

The Jazz will be a solid team eventually, but let's not pretend that this team with Gallo and Chandler instead of Kanter and Favors would be anything special. Better, yes, but great, no.
 
Denver obviously got players in their deal who could step in and play from Day 1 (as opposed to the Jazz who got players who "apparently" still aren't ready to play on Day 750+) but the big thing is they have an identity along with a coach who understands how to accentuate strengths and minimize weaknesses. Denver knows they play in thin air, they know they have tremendous run & jump athletes and their mindset since drafting Carmelo has been to run, run, run. They're not trying to turn Faried into a back-to-the-basket player. They haven't turned Ty Lawson into walk-the-ball up PG. They know JaVale McGee will make alot of dumb mistakes and they're not playing him 30mpg. They don't utilize a poor 3pt-shooter like Andre Miller as a floor-spacer. If Koufos is effective he'll get his minutes, if he's not he'll disappear for good midway through the 1st&3rd quarters. Ty Lawson is playing extremely well but there's not a top-12 player on their roster. They have a guy in Lawson who can be the engine for what they want to to and then they try to come at you with waves of players who can all play at their tempo.
Denver has a style of ball they want to play, and they have a coach and front office who are effective in conveying that identity onto the basketball court.
 
Denver got Gallinari, Wilson Chandler and Mozgov in the Melo trade. Anything else? It wasn't that trade alone that got them humming. They made other good moves--Iggy, McGee, drafted Faried, etc.
 
vslice02 said:
Denver obviously got players in their deal who could step in and play from Day 1 (as opposed to the Jazz who got players who "apparently" still aren't ready to play on Day 750+) but the big thing is they have an identity, and a coach who understands how to accentuate strengths and minimize weaknesses. Denver knows they play in thin air, they know they have tremendous run & jump athletes and their mindset since drafting Carmelo has been to run, run, run. They're not trying to turn Faried into a back-to-the-basket player. They haven't turned Ty Lawson into walk-the-ball up PG. They know JaVale McGee will make alot of dumb mistakes and they're not playing him 30mpg. They don't utilize a poor 3pt-shooter like Andre Miller as a floor-spacer. If Koufos is effective he'll get his minutes, if he's not he'll disappear for good midway through the 1st&3rd quarters. Ty Lawson is playing extremely well but there's not a top-12 player on their roster. They have a guy in Lawson who can be the engine for what they want to to and then they try to come at you with waves of players who can all play at their tempo.
Denver has a style of ball they want to play, and they have a coach and front office who are effective in conveying that identity onto the basketball court.
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Can we just have vslice put in as GM?
 
When you look at the two teams, there is a lot of statistical similarities in MP makeup and depth of roster, no superstar etc. There is one huge difference:
If you sort their +/- it corresponds roughly with minutes played, whereas we play the guys with the worst differential a lot of minutes.

I know +/- is not perfect, but take a look and see...its shocking.
https://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.html?TeamID=1610612743&Season=2012-13&sortField=PLUS_MINUS&sortOrder=DES
https://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.h...lar Season&sortField=PLUS_MINUS&sortOrder=DES
 
vegas said:
When you look at the two teams, there is a lot of statistical similarities in MP makeup and depth of roster, no superstar etc. There is one huge difference:
If you sort their +/- it corresponds roughly with minutes played, whereas we play the guys with the worst differential a lot of minutes.

I know +/- is not perfect, but take a look and see...its shocking.
https://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.html?TeamID=1610612743&Season=2012-13&sortField=PLUS_MINUS&sortOrder=DES
https://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.h...lar Season&sortField=PLUS_MINUS&sortOrder=DES
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I've repped too much over the past 24 hours. Thanks for posting that.
 
vegas said:
When you look at the two teams, there is a lot of statistical similarities in MP makeup and depth of roster, no superstar etc. There is one huge difference:
If you sort their +/- it corresponds roughly with minutes played, whereas we play the guys with the worst differential a lot of minutes.

I know +/- is not perfect, but take a look and see...its shocking.
https://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.html?TeamID=1610612743&Season=2012-13&sortField=PLUS_MINUS&sortOrder=DES
https://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.h...lar Season&sortField=PLUS_MINUS&sortOrder=DES
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Randy Foye has played the third most minutes for us

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nightmare3983 said:
I like the Nuggets, but I don't see them getting to the Finals.
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I do.

SA? We all know what they're about.

Yet... They're too old to break the west. A younger team will beat them. Grizz, Nuggets, and OKC are above SA. Heck, I could even see GS or Houston getting hot and running the Spurs to death.

Denver matches up real well with the Thunder, as we saw tonight. Yet, they have the size to match up well with the bigger teams in the west.

Ty Lawson along with those wings can damage anyone in the west. And don't forget Andre Miller, who unlike our vets, actually leads and contributes when given PT.

Plus, coaching.

I don't see why Denver doesn't have as good of a chance as anyone in winning the west. I honestly don't see OKC being the clear favorite without Harden anymore. To me, they're a 2 manned team. No one else can create or score on their own.

Lets face it, whoever wins the west is going to come in 2nd place. There are only 3 teams that have a legit shot at beating the Heat. Memphis, Denver, and LA (clippers). You gotta pound them inside. If OKC plays Mia again they'll be swept. Lebron will lock down Durant and Westbrook will be his idiotic chucker self. Ibaka will stand 4 feet away from the basket without a post move (but a junk punch). And Perkins will again jump with a vertical of 2 cms.
 
I don't believe that Denver is a real threat to OKC, despite this years 3-1 mark. OKC was just plain bad tonight. However, they are probably capable of beating anyone else, but could also get taken out in short order against SA or Clippers and Memphis (slow the games down, which happens in the playoffs, and their deficiencies will quickly illuminate). I believe Utah's ceiling to be much higher than Denvers when compared with equal coaching assumed, but I am a Jazz fan so take that for what it is.
 
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