PearlWatson
Well-Known Member
Marriage has been in existence long before religion tried to claim it as their own.
There has never been a time where man has been without religion, so that doesn't make sense.
Marriage has been in existence long before religion tried to claim it as their own.
There has never been a time where man has been without religion, so that doesn't make sense.
The only important issue here is that gay marriage is happening. So you better start reinterpreting whatever religious doctrines you follow so that you can pretend it never opposed the institution in the first place. You wouldn't want to be late to the party.
The only important issue here is that gay marriage is happening. So you better start reinterpreting whatever religious doctrines you follow so that you can pretend it never opposed the institution in the first place. You wouldn't want to be late to the party.
The only important issue here is that gay marriage is happening. So you better start reinterpreting whatever religious doctrines you follow so that you can pretend it never opposed the institution in the first place. You wouldn't want to be late to the party.
The LDS church will not change their stance no matter the outcome.
Separation between church and state isn't going anywhere. Don't worry.
A gay man has the equal right to marry a woman just like a straight man does. So you cannot say that gays don't have equal rights.
Separation between church and state isn't going anywhere. Don't worry.
A gay man has the equal right to marry a woman just like a straight man does. So you cannot say that gays don't have equal rights.
If religion (or more specifically Christianity or the Abrahamic religions) is such a big influence on gay marriage how come there is not a single country in Asia allows gay marriage?
The great Hitchens on gay marriage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MrA8_rx1qg#t=36s
People are getting married less and less, (especially liberals) yet they keep crying about marriage. Gay marriage is immensely trivial. People raise awareness on this issue rather than the people dying in Africa. There are people getting tattoos of themselves, protests, etc all for gay marriage yet they are silent on the other issues.
"The bigoted defamation of an opposite opinion, rather than a willingness to listen to it or pay any attention to it. Liberal bigotry is the worst of all, as it thinks it's so enlightened."
The LDS church will not change their stance no matter the outcome.
It really depends on what the battle is. You act as if you have something to lose in this battle. You don't. Everything that has to do with yourself, your marriage, and your family would still be in tact. Sure, maybe society wouldn't be confirming to what you believe to be appropriate moral standards, but you and your family would still dictate your lives.
Sure, your morality may be in line with your family members, fellow church go'ers, friends, etc. but that does not mean that you or anybody else are the complete and total authority on morals. Some people may have a different set of morals than you, but can still be every bit of a good person.
You have every right to voice your opinion on any issue. The slave owners were certainly heard when it came to abolishing slavery, the KKK was allowed to voice their opposition of desegregation, men who didn't want women to vote were allowed their voice as well. Just because you are voicing your opinion doesn't mean it's always going to be valid opinion void of intolerance.
Wow Spazz, that's a super valid analogy because being a Ute fan in a neighborhood full of BYU fans is a very accurate comparison to the plight of people over the course of history who have fought for human rights.
The only important issue here is that gay marriage is happening. So you better start reinterpreting whatever religious doctrines you follow so that you can pretend it never opposed the institution in the first place. You wouldn't want to be late to the party.
When private people/entities are being forced into business with people/entities they disagree with is it really? Go look up the people that have been sued for refusing their personal, private services to a gay couple.
Are you sure? Because they've changed their mind on other issues that were once accepted by the mainstream before they turned reprehensible. The LDS church won't allow itself to be seen as a fringe organization. They will conform with the mainstream.
Are you sure? Because they've changed their mind on other issues that were once accepted by the mainstream before they turned reprehensible. The LDS church won't allow itself to be seen as a fringe organization. They will conform with the mainstream.
I like what you are saying but, businesses and religions are different. A race, religion, sexual orientation are generally protected from discrimination by businesses. Religions are not, so far at least, forced to bend their principles to include everyone.
Not changing anything, whether legal or not I'm not okay with it. Also not okay with plenty of other legal things people do, so if/when it happens it will just be put into the legal bucket of stuff that should not be done.
I'm not like you, I don't change what I believe because people's morals, or the laws shift.
Nice try.