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The Thriller

The Thriller

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https://www.newsmax.com/Rahn/Global-Warming-Temperature-Data/2013/04/02/id/497516

Much of Northern Europe, including Britain, is suffering under the coldest winter and spring of the last 30 to 100 years. The Northeastern part of the United States has had a record cold March. The record cold in Europe has killed thousands and cost billions.
It was not supposed to be this way.

Back in 1998, scientist Michael Mann published a paper with the famous “hockey stick” showing a sharp rise in global temperatures. Mann and others argued that if global action was not taken immediately, then the temperature rise would be rapid and uncontrollable.

Much of Mann’s work was the basis for Al Gore’s famous film “An Inconvenient Truth.”
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The United Kingdom's Met Office has been a major source of global temperature data in recent decades, and has been heavily relied upon by global-warming proponents. On March 12, a report written by David Whitehouse and published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation concluded that “there has been no statistically significant increase in annual global temperatures since 1997.”

One of the world’s foremost experts on climate change, professor Roger Pielke Jr. of the University of Colorado at Boulder, recently wrote: “Flooding has not increased over the past century, nor have landfalling hurricanes. Remarkably, the U.S. is currently experiencing the longest-ever recorded period with no strikes of a Category 3 or stronger hurricane.”

Politicians embrace any theory that justifies more taxing, spending and regulating because their power increases along with the accompanying financial opportunities.
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A cold winter doesn't disprove global climate change/warming. Weather varies a lot already. If something were pushing things in a certain direction that larger trend could easily be masked by normal variance.
 
Gameface said:
A cold winter doesn't disprove global climate change/warming. Weather varies a lot already. If something were pushing things in a certain direction that larger trend could easily be masked by normal variance.
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What about temperatures not increasing since 97?

That's the other part of the article which I found interesting.
 
If the earth really is as old as scientists think it is, then the sample size they are working with is too small to make definitive statements that global warming really does or does not exist. Most trends tend to be cyclical. There is no way to know for sure one way or the other without a greater sample size.
 
Gameface said:
A cold winter doesn't disprove global climate change/warming. Weather varies a lot already. If something were pushing things in a certain direction that larger trend could easily be masked by normal variance.
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The global warming crowd was quick to get in front of their own correlation mistakes when they realized you can't correlate phenomenon that happens over millennial in a few short years. Their original arguments would inevitably be used against them. Hence, climate change was born out of GW.

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The battle will be fought with scare tactics showing exactly where the change will affect localities, as if geographic change is not inevitable or good overall.
 
The Thriller said:
What about temperatures not increasing since 97?

That's the other part of the article which I found interesting.
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Ahh, well. I've never been fully convinced that man made climate change was happening. Seemed to me like a lot of people were very invested in it being a fact when "normal" people looking at the information were a little harder to convince. And of course, then there was the whole campaign to paint non-believers as knuckle-dragging morons who refused to acknowledge the overwhelming evidence staring them in the face. While the reality was people like me were saying "I don't see an undeniable connection here, can you please show it to me" and they bust out the chart showing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and how global temp and CO2 levels have followed one another for the last 400,000 years or so. When I say "that doesn't prove what you're saying it proves" I become a knuckle-dragging moron to them and the conversation is over.
 
This is why I always said people need to quit pushing "Climate change". It should always have been and should be about "air pollution".


Look at SLC, the air there with the inversion is horrible, its almost becoming unlivable. I was just visiting there last week and my lung were killing me.
 
Beantown said:
This is why I always said people need to quit pushing "Climate change". It should always have been and should be about "air pollution".


Look at SLC, the air there with the inversion is horrible, its almost becoming unlivable. I was just visiting there last week and my lung were killing me.
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Becoming? The air in the valley has steadily improved for 50 straight years. What do you think the EPA is for?
 
franklin said:
What in this contradicts anything I said? God?

Nothing. It confirms it.

Now tell us more about the miracle $0.03/kWh scam company you work for. Do you sell gasoline pills too?
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Holy **** how dumb are you? You said the air is getting better and that article CLEARLY states the inversions are getting worse and more frequent. IT'S IN THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE DUMBASS!

The numbers of alert days in Utah have been steadily climbing over the past 10 years. In 2002, Salt Lake City had six air quality alert days. So far this winter, there have been 19 alert days in the Salt Lake Valley.
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Also if what I do is such a "scam" then why does your precious EPA recognize our companies solar program?

https://www.epa.gov/greenpower/buygp/solarpower.htm

Oh how I love making you look dumb.
 
Weather inversions are caused by pollution? Mmmmmkay. Does the pollution create new spots on the sun as well?
 
franklin said:
Weather inversions are caused by pollution? Mmmmmkay. Does the pollution create new spots on the sun as well?
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When did I say inversion's are created by pollution?


Did you have fun reading my solar PPA link from the EPA? :)
 
Beantown said:
The rate comes from how efficient your roof is for solar and how good your state solar rebates are. Every house is different.
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How is the number calculated? Are you dividing the price of the panels by the expected lifetime output?
 
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