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mct

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On today's tipoff Locke criticized Jazz fans for booing during the loss to Denver. He even went so far as to imply that players don't like playing in Utah because of how bitter and ungrateful the fans are.

I would never have booed Deron, and I don't think I would have booed during the Denver game. I will, however, say this to David Locke:

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I appreciate the effort and enthusiasm you put into your Jazz coverage. I can even stomach your Daily Devars, because at least that is a positive way of trying to turn fans' frowns upside down.

What I don't appreciate is the condescension and blame. I've never seen you take that tone with Corbin or the front office or the players who get the most minutes. Not that I expect you to. These guys cut your paychecks. They're your buddies on the team plane, which is why I'm fine with you trying to paint them in a positive light.

Just please take it one step further. Fans actually pay the money. We're the customers, not just some unenlightened mass that you have to put up with in order pursue important advancements in the fields of basketball and sports journalism.

Instead of assuming there is something inherently wrong with Utah fans as human beings, maybe just for a second you could acknowledge there might be something uniquely frustrating about how this team is assembled, coached, and marketed.

Which is more likely:

That people are just people, and fans from any city would also have trouble investing in a mediocre team on which four of the five players getting major minutes are not likely to be on the team next year

OR

That Jazz fans, specifically fans in Utah, are unhappy, fairweather, mean-spirited, potentially racist douchebags who are in no small part to blame for the team never being great.

I know you'll write me off as another fan who's doing it wrong. But, I swear, just this morning I was Devar'ing it up with my old man.

Then I listened to your infuriating podcast.
 
Nice post. I agree. I am very happy I didn't watch that steaming pile of **** last night.
 
"Players don't want to come to Utah because the fans are too mean and demanding" will be the organization's mantra if/when the Jazz strike out in free agency this summer with all their precious "flexibility."
(For the record, I'm on board with not spending big money on FA's this summer, but the defensive-nature and spin of Jazz personel has become painfully predictable. We'll hear about this again as long as fans continue to voice their displeasure over a mediocre product with no inteligent attempts to improve it.)
I would love for our radio announcer to go to someplace like NY, Philly, Charlotte or New Orleans (not only so I don't have to try to avoid his content on twitter & the team website) but so he could find out how Jazz fans actually compare to fanbases around the league who can be downright nasty to their own team when they lose, or to a team whose fanbase doesn't care about their team and won't listen to him. Go work for the Knicks and then criticize their fans when they boo, and let's see how your audience reacts to that.
 
We could be worse David Locke.

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David Locke seems like a pretty good dude, but sometimes he seems a little off on his analysis and a little strange in his execution. Appreciate him though for what he does. He has convinced me that Advanced Metrics are a great way to evaluate things in basketball.
 
Since Locke is just a Jazz spokesman, I will take this to mean that the management is feeling the pressure and is using its media people to try and influence the fans' reaction. And since I am a mean and demanding fan who is not happy at all with a team that is laying it all on the line to land a first round sweep (without any clear future path), I am VERY encouraged to see that Locke and company are upset.
 
So nobody agrees with Locke that the more hostile we seem, the less likely it is for free agents to want to come over not to mention the sheer fact that SLC is boring as hell?
 
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So nobody agrees with Locke that the more hostile we seem, the less likely it is for free agents to want to come over not to mention the sheer fact that SLC is boring as hell?
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I'm not saying it's not true. I would just hope the organization is asking themselves what they are doing wrong as opposed to what's wrong with their fans.

And maybe instead of tactlessly instructing their paying customers how to act, they could focus on developing a better product and communicating their long term vision to the fans.
 
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mct said:
On today's tipoff Locke criticized Jazz fans for booing during the loss to Denver. He even went so far as to imply that players don't like playing in Utah because of how bitter and ungrateful the fans are.

I would never have booed Deron, and I don't think I would have booed during the Denver game. I will, however, say this to David Locke:

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I appreciate the effort and enthusiasm you put into your Jazz coverage. I can even stomach your Daily Devars, because at least that is a positive way of trying to turn fans' frowns upside down.

What I don't appreciate is the condescension and blame. I've never seen you take that tone with Corbin or the front office or the players who get the most minutes. Not that I expect you to. These guys cut your paychecks. They're your buddies on the team plane, which is why I'm fine with you trying to paint them in a positive light.

Just please take it one step further. Fans actually pay the money. We're the customers, not just some unenlightened mass that you have to put up with in order pursue important advancements in the fields of basketball and sports journalism.

Instead of assuming there is something inherently wrong with Utah fans as human beings, maybe just for a second you could acknowledge there might be something uniquely frustrating about how this team is assembled, coached, and marketed.

Which is more likely:

That people are just people, and fans from any city would also have trouble investing in a mediocre team on which four of the five players getting major minutes are not likely to be on the team next year

OR

That Jazz fans, specifically fans in Utah, are unhappy, fairweather, mean-spirited, potentially racist douchebags who are in no small part to blame for the team never being great.

I know you'll write me off as another fan who's doing it wrong. But, I swear, just this morning I was Devar'ing it up with my old man.

Then I listened to your infuriating podcast.
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It sounds like you get really upset over things you imagined someone meant , but they didn't actually say .
 
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