MoreFeasts
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This interview + thread makes me suspect that the Jazz organization is in a bubble.
What has David Locke so upset?
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Yeah, and what is it that Locke is alluding to re: Ty that he'd love to share but just can't. I mean, what could it be? Personal stuff that highlights his rapport with the players? Tactical stuff that he doesn't want opponents to know?
orangello
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I have yet to see a moment that makes me think that Corbin has ever outsmarted another coach.
dogtoucher
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Isn't he articulating exactly what y'all have been whining about all season? Do you people like anybody or anything??
vslice02
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I think Locke is 100% wrong but he did a good job backing up his points with arbitrary stats which Maloney (who obviously wasn't prepared to be thoroughly attack) often didn't have solid responses for.
The 2 points that I wish would have been the primary focus are
1) Ty's in-game coaching featuring his inability to adjust and his ability to go away from what is working in order to stick with his vet-heavy starter rotations.
and
2) Not only have the Jazz made no significant progress in the past 2 years of their Post-Deron rebuild - it's not because they don't have the resources. If the Jazz were to play Favors/Kanter/Burks in significant roles, DeMarre in a consistent role, and Hayward north of the 30mpg mark - they may not be substantially better than the team w/Foye/Marvin/Millsap/Jefferson playing lead roles but they would not have been significantly worse. What's more - real progress and evaluation could have been achieved as opposed to the silly foolsgold prize of being an 8-seed for the second consecutive year. I fully support playing your best players - but in many ways the Core-4 represent our best players and I would argue increasing their roles would have made the Jazz a better team.
This interview was a great reminder why I can't stand Locke, but I did find one thing humorous.
The irony of ironies is that by blindly defending Corbin, Locke is essentially throwing Kevin O'Connor (along with the veteran players) under the bus in his attempt to point out that the Jazz are below-average at virtually every position. He's also exposing his own "analysis" in which he has said how great and improved Al Jefferson has been, how acquiring Mo and Marvin would make the Jazz a better team, and I'm sure there are others that I'm not aware of because I don't (aka can't stand to) listen to him.
I'm disappointed Maloney wasn't more prepared to get into particulars but in the big-picture he's spot-on.
The 2 points that I wish would have been the primary focus are
1) Ty's in-game coaching featuring his inability to adjust and his ability to go away from what is working in order to stick with his vet-heavy starter rotations.
and
2) Not only have the Jazz made no significant progress in the past 2 years of their Post-Deron rebuild - it's not because they don't have the resources. If the Jazz were to play Favors/Kanter/Burks in significant roles, DeMarre in a consistent role, and Hayward north of the 30mpg mark - they may not be substantially better than the team w/Foye/Marvin/Millsap/Jefferson playing lead roles but they would not have been significantly worse. What's more - real progress and evaluation could have been achieved as opposed to the silly foolsgold prize of being an 8-seed for the second consecutive year. I fully support playing your best players - but in many ways the Core-4 represent our best players and I would argue increasing their roles would have made the Jazz a better team.
This interview was a great reminder why I can't stand Locke, but I did find one thing humorous.
The irony of ironies is that by blindly defending Corbin, Locke is essentially throwing Kevin O'Connor (along with the veteran players) under the bus in his attempt to point out that the Jazz are below-average at virtually every position. He's also exposing his own "analysis" in which he has said how great and improved Al Jefferson has been, how acquiring Mo and Marvin would make the Jazz a better team, and I'm sure there are others that I'm not aware of because I don't (aka can't stand to) listen to him.
I'm disappointed Maloney wasn't more prepared to get into particulars but in the big-picture he's spot-on.
MoreFeasts
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From what I listened to (only 1/4 of the interview) , Locke's arguments were sophistic crap, and Maloney did a good job answering them.
orangello
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My point exactly. I'm sure you saw my tweet.
orangello
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Yep. Locke has said before that he has used stats to prove his point even if he knows the info is bogus.
mct
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I was a little harsh earlier. Locke knows just how to troll me.
He's right that Ty probably did get as many wins out of this team as could have reasonably been expected.
However, his kind of basketball is not much to look at, especially after what we were used to, and he could have played the more promising players more.
That's what many fans resent.
He's right that Ty probably did get as many wins out of this team as could have reasonably been expected.
However, his kind of basketball is not much to look at, especially after what we were used to, and he could have played the more promising players more.
That's what many fans resent.
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I get that jazz management thinks we are all stupid. I get that because of 20+ years of loyalty from the fans they don't think that they owe the fans an explanation. I mean, heck, they are the only show in town. And the blindly follow religious culture doesn't help.
But lets think about this critically...
The jazz have either:
A. A talented team that is underachieving because the coach cannot or will not develop his young players.
Or
B. a talent depleted team that is overachieving because their management has failed to collect enough talent to put a good product out there. I mean, hell, in 07 you looked like an up and coming young team. What happened?eiher way, someone needs to be held accountable.
You can't have it both ways. You can't excuse the last few years by saying they don't have talent without blasting the management. And you cannot say that the talent is there but excuse the coach.
Either koc or Corbin needs to go.
But lets think about this critically...
The jazz have either:
A. A talented team that is underachieving because the coach cannot or will not develop his young players.
Or
B. a talent depleted team that is overachieving because their management has failed to collect enough talent to put a good product out there. I mean, hell, in 07 you looked like an up and coming young team. What happened?eiher way, someone needs to be held accountable.
You can't have it both ways. You can't excuse the last few years by saying they don't have talent without blasting the management. And you cannot say that the talent is there but excuse the coach.
Either koc or Corbin needs to go.
David Stern
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I miss Hot Rod.