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**Corbin-->D. Lindsey--> K.O.C.--> G. Miller (the problems of the organization)

My2Cents said:
I'm not a happy fan, but "38-40 wins every year"? We've won less than 40 only 4 times in the last 30 years, and 2 of those were in strike shortened seasons. And "loaded with talent"? Come on...

Maybe that's what Jeditiger meant about becoming more familiar with reality.
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So, experts at ESPN, si.com, foxsports, etc who all say the same things as we do aren't familiar with reality as well, right? The only people who agree with the job Corbin has done seem to be Locke, Miller, KOC Corbin and Al Jefferson.
 
green said:
So, experts at ESPN, si.com, foxsports, etc who all say the same things as we do aren't familiar with reality as well, right? The only people who agree with the job Corbin has done seem to be Locke, Miller, KOC Corbin and Al Jefferson.
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You mean Mahony publicly condoning intentional tanking? That's against the rules and not good for the sport. Don't be Golden State, greenie.
 
franklin said:
You mean Mahony publicly condoning intentional tanking? That's against the rules and not good for the sport. Don't be Golden State, greenie.
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Intentional tanking? Give me a break. It's called playing your future. Ask GS how that worked out for them. Ask OKC about that. Ask SA about that. Sometimes taking a few lumps with your future might hurt you in the loss column one year and skyrocket you up the win column the next year.
 
green said:
Intentional tanking? Give me a break. It's called playing your future. Ask GS how that worked out for them. Ask OKC about that. Ask SA about that. Sometimes taking a few lumps with your future might hurt you in the loss column one year and skyrocket you up the win column the next year.
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GS was not "playing their future" they were intentionally tanking. Yes there is a difference but you either have a hard tiem telling the difference or do not care about the difference.
 
It's not tanking when you develop young talent vs playing old vets that will bring nothing but a few more wins over sub par teams .... Lakers ... Dallas and Spurs have all done this to get better players at times. ....

Tim D, Derick R .. Kobe B, the list goes on and on


our best talent doesn't even get to play
 
ATB said:
It's not tanking when you develop young talent vs playing old vets that will bring nothing but a few more wins over sub par teams .... Lakers ... Dallas and Spurs have all done this to get better players at times. ....

Tim D, Derick R .. Kobe B, the list goes on and on


our best talent doesn't even get to play
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I agree with that. Especially since I think that the Core (Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks, Carroll and Evans) are over all better than Big Al, Sap, Foye, Mo and Marvin.
 
NAOS said:
Dunno fellas.... Ima gree w locke and say teh players are the problems.
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So would you say that's the fault of the FO (for assembling bad players) or the coach (for not developing them, coaching them up, and/or creating good chemistry)?
 
PKM said:
So would you say that's the fault of the FO (for assembling bad players) or the coach (for not developing them, coaching them up, and/or creating good chemistry)?
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*my slur was a sign I wasn't being serious.

I think we had the depth and talent to be a fifth or sixth seed, and probably the tools to be a tough out in the playoffs. But, we learned very little about player combos, defensive and offensive wrinkles they make possible, and therefore we still don't know how to maximize these players gifts. This points to problems from the top of the FO to the bottom.
 
green said:
So, experts at ESPN, si.com, foxsports, etc who all say the same things as we do aren't familiar with reality as well, right? The only people who agree with the job Corbin has done seem to be Locke, Miller, KOC Corbin and Al Jefferson.
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so do the experts at espn also agree with some fans who think the Jazz have been a terrible team for the last 30 years? Corbin has not done a great job, and Al, Foye and the Williamses are not great, but that does not mean that they are the future of the Jazz. We have these young guys that are starting to really step up, and deserving starting roles, and the vets have just been around a little too much for a little too long. Think if we had one or two less vets, how would the team look then? How do you think this team will look when the young guys are taking it over? If you think that the team will be great with our core 4, then thank the front office. If you think they will be terrible with the core 4, then you are probably not a Jazz Fan.
 
b_liner1 said:
so do the experts at espn also agree with some fans who think the Jazz have been a terrible team for the last 30 years?
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I've never said the Jazz have been terrible the last 30 years. Anyone who says that is an idiot. Most national media types say exactly the opposite of that.

b_liner1 said:
Corbin has not done a great job, and Al, Foye and the Williamses are not great, but that does not mean that they are the future of the Jazz. We have these young guys that are starting to really step up, and deserving starting roles, and the vets have just been around a little too much for a little too long. Think if we had one or two less vets, how would the team look then? How do you think this team will look when the young guys are taking it over?
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Worst case scenario, the team would have been AWFUL. Bottom three in the league. Guess what happened the last time we were bottom three in the league...we DRAFTED DERON WILLIAMS. Imagine a Deron Williams talent (top 3 at his position) to pair with Hayward, Burks, Favors, Kanter. That spells CHAMPIONSHIPS BABY.

Best case scenario, better than we are now.

b_liner1 said:
How do you think this team will look when the young guys are taking it over?If you think that the team will be great with our core 4, then thank the front office. If you think they will be terrible with the core 4, then you are probably not a Jazz Fan.
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Which I have been. I've stated over and over and over again that I think KOC has done a great job and Corbin sucks.
 
green said:
Worst case scenario, the team would have been AWFUL. Bottom three in the league. Guess what happened the last time we were bottom three in the league...we DRAFTED DERON WILLIAMS. Imagine a Deron Williams talent (top 3 at his position) to pair with Hayward, Burks, Favors, Kanter. That spells CHAMPIONSHIPS BABY.

Best case scenario, better than we are now.
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It takes a special kind of terrible coaching to be bottom three in the league.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Uhh. Jerry Sloan?
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To be fair the 04-05 team did have a special kind of awful roster not to mention injury problems. Curtis Borchardt started 23 games that year! And Jarron Collins started 38! I'd hope those guys wouldn't even see the floor on the team we have now.
 
franklin said:
Holy **** NUMBNUTS, you have to be kidding me. You really think Jerry Sloan would lose that bad in this league. Why even have a coach or evaluate them.
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He was saying that a jerry sloan coached team had the #3 pick is all.... which happens to be true
 
fishonjazz said:
He was saying that a jerry sloan coached team had the #3 pick is all.... which happens to be true
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Actually he said we had a bottom three record in the league. We didn't. We had a bottom four record in the league!
So franklin is technically correct, which is, as everyone knows, the best kind of correct.
 
Zombie said:
Actually he said we had a bottom three record in the league. We didn't. We had a bottom four record in the league!
So franklin is technically correct, which is, as everyone knows, the best kind of correct.
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True.... I guess 3rd worst record=horrible coach
4th worst record=hall of fame coach lol
 
green said:
I've never said the Jazz have been terrible the last 30 years. Anyone who says that is an idiot. Most national media types say exactly the opposite of that.



Worst case scenario, the team would have been AWFUL. Bottom three in the league. Guess what happened the last time we were bottom three in the league...we DRAFTED DERON WILLIAMS. Imagine a Deron Williams talent (top 3 at his position) to pair with Hayward, Burks, Favors, Kanter. That spells CHAMPIONSHIPS BABY.

Best case scenario, better than we are now.



Which I have been. I've stated over and over and over again that I think KOC has done a great job and Corbin sucks.
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I think your post that I responded to was confusing. I agree with you on this post, but the last one, when I read it again, looks like you are saying that the Jazz are stuck in mediocrity, and the fans and national media see it as well.

I think the team would not have been significantly different record wise this year had we not played the vets as much. Maybe 5 games less won, but that is negligible in the grander scheme of things.

As for a talent like D Will with our core, I think we will get one, or get a couple more good to great pieces (probably good pieces through the draft, but not a superstar). I think we will have a legit shot at the title at least a couple times in the next 5 years.

I think KOC and Lindsey will continue the good job that KOC started. I hope the coach can either get it together, or they can find a good coach who will.
 
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