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NotDeadYet

NotDeadYet

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Start with:
PG Williams
SG Miles
SF Hayward
PF Millsap
C Jefferson

Two NBA vets: Williams & Jefferson
Two Jazz vets: Williams & Millsap; I'd say Williams Williams is the leader of this group
Two young guys: Miles & Hayward
Two good passers: Williams & Hayward
Two rebounders: Jefferson & Millsap, Hayward can too
Two aggressive defenders: Williams & Millsap, maybe Jefferson
Three post-up scorers: Williams, Millsap, Jefferson
Scoring: Williams, Jefferson, Miles *** A Jazz weakness has been falling behind early; good balanced scoring here, with Hayward & Millsap quite capable, though likely to be less consistant

2nd (energy) unit:
PG Watson
SG Bell
SF Evans
PF Kirilenko
C Fesenko/Elson

Three NBA vets: Watson, Kirilenko & Bell
Two Jazz vets: Kirilenko & Bell; I'd say Bell is the leader of this group
Two young guys: Evans & Fesenko
Two good passers: Watson & Kirilenko; maybe Bell ?
Two rebounders: Fesenko & Kirilenko, Evans will be too
All these guys are aggressive defenders, although Fesenko can be 'flaky'
Scoring: Bell, plus Watson is a good penetrator and passer. Kirilenko can get hot from outside *** Lack of a post-up scorer is the 'weak link' on the 2nd unit, so maintaining movement, aggression & high energy is key to their success!!

Note on AK: I think at PF he is better off on the 2nd unit, as opposing teams tend to play their best low-post guys on the first unit, which is AK's achilles heel defensively...

Comments?
 
It seems like coach Sloan likes to experiment with bringing Kirilenko off the bench, only to realize at some point during the season that the team is far more effective with AK as the starting small forward. It wouldn't surprise me if that happens again, but I'd be disappointed. AK can start and play 24 minutes at small forward, and still play 8 or 9 minutes as the backup power forward, thus giving Hayward at least 20 minutes a game at the 3.

I think that would be an effective strategy and that's what I'd like to see happen. AK is so much better than Hayward right now, it would be hard for me to be excited about Hayward starting. Give the young man a year, see how he stacks up, let him earn that spot.

Just my opinion.
 
NotDeadYet said:
Start with:
PG Williams
SG Miles
SF Hayward
PF Millsap
C Jefferson

Two NBA vets: Williams & Jefferson
Two Jazz vets: Williams & Millsap; I'd say Williams Williams is the leader of this group
Two young guys: Miles & Hayward
Two good passers: Williams & Hayward
Two rebounders: Jefferson & Millsap, Hayward can too
Two aggressive defenders: Williams & Millsap, maybe Jefferson
Three post-up scorers: Williams, Millsap, Jefferson
Scoring: Williams, Jefferson, Miles *** A Jazz weakness has been falling behind early; good balanced scoring here, with Hayward & Millsap quite capable, though likely to be less consistant
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What do you "like" about the wing defense? Hayward was reportedly burned several times during the scrimmage, but at least he recovered. I still think that it's a better strategy to split AK and Bell between the starting lineup and the second wave so that you have experience and proven defense in both groups. For many games before Brewer was traded, Sloan started Brew and Miles together, and it didn't work all that well. Miles has probably improved, but I've yet to see that he's a decent defender. With his newly added bulk, he might be a worse defender now. Sloan apparently thinks that he hasn't been trying any harder . . . .
 
OK, obviously the wing defense isn't exactly stacked on the 1st unit, BUT this should be an efficient and high scoring unit, which makes it easier on them to get back and defend reasonably effectively. Taking crappy shots is gonna get your defense in trouble faster than anything; just ask Jerry. If you aren't good at offense, you need to work a lot harder on defense to be effective. That 2nd unit could be really good defensively too...
There are different philosophies regarding offense/defense. Defense expends tremendous energy, and is generally more about effort than talent. The old Boston Celtics under Red Auerbach typically started games by running to score. The 2nd unit then came in and clamped down defensively just at the time in the game the opponent wanted to catch up on the scoreboard. Auerbach did this for a real long time...
 
Nice job. I think lineups are going to be determined by match-ups until Sloan gets a feel for which group plays together well. This is a year like no other year because we have so many new guys. It will take a while before line-ups get settle and they still may change over time because of the talent and flexibility of this roster. Besides the fact that changes will be made once Okur comes back.
 
The most 'talented' line-up would be

1 Williams
2 Miles
3 AK
4 Millsap
5 Jefferson

Offense: Everyone has to be guarded and can go for 20+ pts. on a given night. Nice balance of range shooting, mid-range shooting, post offense and passing. Good size, especially in the back court and on the wings, along with two double-digit rebounders.

Defense: AK and Millsap set the tone. Miles is improving. Not a bad defensive line-up if they help each other.
 
Catchall said:
The most 'talented' line-up would be

1 Williams
2 Miles
3 AK
4 Millsap
5 Jefferson

Offense: Everyone has to be guarded and can go for 20+ pts. on a given night. Nice balance of range shooting, mid-range shooting, post offense and passing. Good size, especially in the back court and on the wings, along with two double-digit rebounders.

Defense: AK and Millsap set the tone. Miles is improving. Not a bad defensive line-up if they help each other.
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That line-up is going to rule the world.
 
Depends on who you're playing. The rookie is going to have to earn that spot. We know nothing about his NBA game at this point. I like pulling a Popavich with AK and Memo this year. Use both sparingly throughout the season and add plenty of glue to the glass. Keep 'em healthy until the playoffs, then unleash AK at least (I'm skeptical if Memo has much left in the tank at this point).

Against the lakers I might go big with
Williams -- d bag point guard
Jefferson -- lurky ****ing freebie trade
Fes -- that injury prone 7'1" dude
AK -- Odom
Bell -- Closelined bitch

Piss on analyzing the rest of the Western conference since they don't really matter.

I think the Jazz will be able to correct the erratic scoring problems of last year with AJ. Boozer is no dominating offensive threat. AJ is a go-to guy, and Williams can pick up the slack as we've seen time and again.
 
I could see the Jazz starting Fess or Elson for size at the center position, moving Jefferson to the PF, then playing either Miles/AK or Bell/Miles at the wing positions.

Big Line-up

1 Williams
2 Miles/Bell
3 AK/Miles
4 Jefferson
5 Fess

That's how the old-school Jazz would have done things, since Fess clogs the lane on the defensive end.
 
I think saying CJ or AK can give you 20+ on any given night is being generous. Nevertheless I like that lineup. I would also like to remind everyone that CJ has been in the league 5 years now so he is also a vet. , an inexperience one but still a vet.
 
True, CJ would technically be classified as a vet, but he's still very young and has a lot to learn, IMO.
Gotta be careful not to mess up the 2nd unit's chemistry trying to create the best possible starting unit. Lousy play by the b/u unit can cost you some games. That's why Sloan frequently shifts AK to the 2nd unit.
Absolutely true we should tweak these lineups to create better matchups against some of our tougher opponents. However, don't wanna change too much, as this can really mess up chemistry. We do have great talent deep into the bench, so I'd like to see everyone get into games, as ya never know who will rise to the occasion...
 
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