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The Official paul MILLSAP Should stay a Jazzman thread

Does it bother anyone there are never reports about Millsap helping Favors or Kanter out? I hear all the Al stories, and I know most of it is probably just the media over glorifying it, but it still kind of concerns me you never hear Favors or Kanter talk about how Millsap is helping them with anything.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I once thought Sap at 8 per yer would be awesome, now I'm thinking about 5 per year is what I would dish out.
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absolute lunacy

Cyrone Torbin said:
Does it bother anyone there are never reports about Millsap helping Favors or Kanter out? I hear all the Al stories, and I know most of it is probably just the media over glorifying it, but it still kind of concerns me you never hear Favors or Kanter talk about how Millsap is helping them with anything.
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watch Favors' game and tell me who he's learned more from (include passing). thx.
 
MoreFeasts said:
Nice job twisting the stats into a pretzel to support a false position.
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What stats did I twist around? Most of Mo's shot are out of the offense and him chucking 1st off, so it's not like he is the 2nd option, he just has the ball so he shoots it because he is aggressive. There was also a large chunk of games he did not play in, so Sap was even more of the 2nd option.

In terms of plays ran for, Millsap is definitely #2.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
From the coaches?
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Stoked said:
If all the stats support his position is it really false?
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He reframed the issue, instead of being honest and addressing the issue at hand.
So he was wrong about the issue, but brought up a subterfuge to change the argument.
The stats did not support his position, so he made up a new position.
but his new position is deceptive.
It deflects from the truth.
The stats indicate that Millsap was probably the 3rd option when all the players were healthy.
Pointing out that Millsap was the 2nd option when Mo was injured is disingenuous.
 
MoreFeasts said:
The stats say that Millsap was the 3rd option, like DJ said, but you infer the opposite.
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What stats say that specifically? Are we going purely by FGA? Are we going by touches? Plays ran for? FTA's (because if you add those in, he takes more shots than Mo by are large margin). Minutes played?
 
Mo, in my opinion, sees himself as the 2nd option and takes a lot of shots out of the offense on his own free will. Sap actually gets a ton of plays ran for him and isolation in high and low post situations.

If the only factor you are taking into account is FGA per game though, Mo only averages .4 more per game, so that would still make Sap tied for the 2nd option. If you account for other factors though, I think Sap is clearly the 2nd option.
 
The stats indicate to me that when all the players are healthy, Millsap is the 3rd option.
I am assuming that Millsap's fga were lower when Mo played.
I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Yes , I am going by fga/g.
Does anyone have fga/min, I would accept that as a tiebreaker.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Mo, in my opinion, sees himself as the 2nd option and takes a lot of shots out of the offense on his own free will. Sap actually gets a ton of plays ran for him and isolation in high and low post situations.

If the only factor you are taking into account is FGA per game though, Mo only averages .4 more per game, so that would still make Sap tied for the 2nd option. If you account for other factors though, I think Sap is clearly the 2nd option.
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this is classic pwnassaurus behavior: you're driving your own wedge into an issue, and setting up a debate that nobody else is having with you.

If Mo has the green light to do what he does, then it's "in" the offense. The fact that you want to split hairs to some other conclusion is ****ing hilarious.
 
Okay, I looked it up. Per 36, the fga are surprisingly balanced between most of the players.
When Mo plays , he definitely takes more shots than Earl or Tinsley, because those two take the fewest on the team per minute.
It may seem like Millsap is more of a 3rd option than he really is with Mo on the court, because of the contrast with how few shots the other PGs take.
So yes, the difference between shots between Millsap and Mo is probably not huge, but it would be a big stretch to call Millsap the 2nd option on the team.
 
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MoreFeasts said:
Okay, I looked it up. Per 36, the fga are surprisingly balanced between most of the players.
When Mo plays , he definitely takes more shots than Earl or Tinsley, because those two take the fewest on the team per minute.
It may seem like Millsap is more of a 3rd option than he really is with Mo on the court, because of the contrast with how few shots the other PGs take.
So yes, the difference between shots between Millsap and Mo is probably not huge, but it would be a big stretch to call Millsap the 2nd option between the 2.
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But if you take FTA's attempted into the equation that does changes things up, no? You usually get FT's from attempting a shot, but the attempt doesn't show up in the stats (unless you get an And-1).
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
This, I loved the hustle Millsap who developed skill and was a beast.

He has turned into a player who is known for hustle and rebounding, but hardly does it anymore.
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This.
Re-signing Millsap because he hustles and rebounds would be akin to re-signing Raja Bell a couple of years ago because he was known as a lock down defender that could knock down the 3.
 
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