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Jodi Arias Trial

The Thriller

The Thriller

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I don't think this has been posted here. And I know it's long but I hope for a serious and deep discussion here.

Let me first start out and say, I don't think I have felt so bad for a trial. Usually, for bad people, I want them to rot. Like Arial Castro? The dude could be thrown away in some dark prison in Detroit and left without food and water for days and I probably wouldn't care. But this case? Maybe it's the stuff that happened (other than the murder) that many "young" people can relate to? I don't know. I just feel for both sides. I think I actually hope that the jury gives her life in prison so that maybe something positive can come out of all of this. Maybe she has a positive effect on someone in prison?

I just feel like she got wrapped up into something too emotional and too sad and then did something crazy (which I cannot fathom. Murder). While I think he got involved in something and just couldn't break free.

Here's my opinion on what happened:

I think they both meet and hit it off. Both are in their mid/late 20s. She's a pretty girl and speaks well. He's a handsome man and is an excellent public speaker. They fall for each other. She is baptized into the Mormon church. by him! This is something special. I'm guessing in at least her mind, she figured that she had found her soulmate.

She's extremely passionate and clingy. She wants to "travel" the world with him. This is usually really cool at first. What guy doesn't want this (at the beginning of a relationship)? Eros love baby! They lose control start fooling around.

He maybe begins to notice that she doesn't bring out the best in him. Maybe there are some flaws? Maybe she's just a lil weird? Insensitive? His friends pressure him into dumping her. In order to appeal to him, she goes to more desperate measures and begins to send nasty pictures/videos/messages/lets him do whatever he wants to her.

In a sense... Both manipulate and use each other. She manipulates him, because instead of a "clean and clear" breakup, she keeps this thing limping on by demeaning herself. He manipulates her, by keeping the "hope" that one day he will finally "break down" and they'll get married by keeping her around (for sex).

I think at some point, she recognized that this wasn't good. But couldn't or didn't want to get out. I think he definitely recognized this wasn't good... But couldn't because either the sex was too good, he lacked real companionship, or he deep down hoped that one day she would fix her "quirks"/"defects" and then he could "truly" love her.

Unfortunately, it was just too big of a trap. Too big of a hole to dig out of.

I actually feel like both had significant vulnerabilities and self esteem issues. In a sick way, they were made for each other. But in another way, they were horrible for one another as they both brought out the worst.

I can definitely relate to this in a weird way. I once dated a girl for much longer than I should have because she had a lot of awesome qualities. She was super passionate and could be the sweetest thing ever. Other times... She could just FREAK OUT... And there was always just a few defects of sincerity and closeness that just lacked.

Unfortunately, she wasn't the most honest and had a few defects that... Yikes... Should have been deal breakers. Unfortunately, through a series of events and experiences, this thing kept going and going. We both kinda knew it wasn't right but both of us "hoped" that it would work. She manipulated me and I in some ways manipulated her. (never ever even close to the extent that these two did). I mean, I did stuff that I have never done for anyone else (loan out tons of money, go against my family's wishes, totally dumped on friends, missed jazz games when we still had Deron, Booz, and Memo and actually were still good, etc...)

So I mean...

I really feel bad for her.

What could have been? Had she gotten serious about her career or studies? Stayed active in her religion? Could she be at BYU right now???

What could have been of him? An inspirational speaker! He could have a wife and kids!

I just feel like they both got in way too deep. I can actually understand everything that they did. Not that I agree with much of it. But I can definitely understand it all EXCEPT for the murder.... Well, and lying about basically EVERYTHING that happened that day... I just don't understand how you could do that.

I'm guessing that those on this board who have either dated or been married to the wrong person can kinda relate to the distrust, jealousy, bad feelings, desperation, anger, manipulation, etc that was displayed by the 2 sides during their relationship.

Thoughts?
 
MoreFeasts said:
too long, didn't read.
sexalism..
reverse the sexes and there would be no sympathy for the murderer .
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Agreed. That or put an addition 150lbs on Arias and we'd all be screaming for her blood.
 
MoreFeasts said:
too long, didn't read.
sexalism..
reverse the sexes and there would be no sympathy for the murderer .
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Is that like racialism, except different?

Thriller, do you have a monthly subscription to People magazine? Do you know all of the Housewives by their first names? Do you talk about Gossip Girl when you and your pals go play Bunco on Fridays? Did you really think that pouring your heart out about some sensationalized ******** would garner any type of real response?

At the very worst, I had to google her name and found a recording of one of their phone sex conversations -- not bad, but I've heard better.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
One of the few times we agreed.
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The dude is the one who actually sounds like a freak in bed.... baptizes her, then takes her home and sticks it in her butt til she begs him to stop. tells her that he wants to take pictures with his **** all over her face. begs for the ******** with pop rocks in her mouth, shoved tootsie pops up her vag, says it not real sex when it's under water...

then of course she is the unstable one with a knife and a pistol... **** story all around.
 
MoreFeasts said:
too long, didn't read.
sexalism..
reverse the sexes and there would be no sympathy for the murderer .
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You should have read it. It would have helped your response.

Of course sex has a major factor in this.

If Travis was named Juan or black, I doubt Arizonans would have such a wonderful opinion of him.

Why would a pretty woman go to such an extreme to kill a man? She was (baptized) into the Mormon church. She easily could have gone to any singles ward in Mesa or Yreka and found plenty of prospects.
Why would a "spiritual" returned missionary complain about being stalked by this girl (and claim that he wanted to end things with her) and then send x rated text messages to her at 2:00am? If you know that the person you are dating still likes you, thee absolute worst thing you can do is give them hope that things might continue. By sending her romantic messages and by continuing to sleep with her, he continued to give her hope that things might work out. Hard to end things with someone if you continue to sleep with them.
 
Gameface said:
Agreed. That or put an addition 150lbs on Arias and we'd all be screaming for her blood.
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But isn't that one of the reasons why this trial is so fascinating to most of America?

She isn't some fat ugly loser. He isn't some closed 50+ year old bus driver who kept women in his basement for decades.

Both seemed like they were attractive, talented, intelligent, and social people.

What drove her to do commit such a horrific act? Why was he such an ***? You folks realize that he was a RM, right? He baptized her into the LDS religion. He claimed that he wanted stuff like an "eternal family." So he desires that yet asks Jodi to give him oral pleasure with poprocks stuffed in her mouth? I don't think you need to be an expert on the LDS religion to know that something isn't right here.

To me, we will never know his side (unfortunately). Because it's "horrible" to speak "ill" of the dead. In reality, what the hell is a temple endowed returned missionary doing essentially "living with" his girlfriend? So sex it up 6 days of the week as freaky Shawn Kemp but show up on Sunday as Peter Priesthood? HUH? And then act surprised when this girl just "can't" get over you?

Then, consider some of the other "weird" things that might or might not be true. The night he baptizes her he performs anal on her (allegedly)? Ummmm....

Of course, Travis was just an angel... And when taking those shower shots before being stabbed, he was totally innocent...

Which is why I feel for both of them. I honestly think in many cases, he wasn't necessarily a dirt bag (although, he would definitely be a dirt bag if just half the stuff Jodi has said were true). I think he got caught up into things. Maybe he had a massive porn addiction? Maybe he really wanted to do some of those "churchy" things and repent and get married in the LDS temple, but just couldn't get over the hump? Maybe he really did love Jodi but the love became just too corrupted and revolved too much around gratification?

I feel for her. Yes... She had a screw loose. But most women I know do. He baptized her. As a former LDS missionary, that is a special connection. You don't forget who baptized you and those who you baptize will never forget you. Multiply that by 100 because they were romantic. I don't think she's crazy. I don't think she's actually a horrible person. I think anyone who has been in an abusive relationship can relate to some of things that she did (other than the whole murder thing)...

I just really cannot wrap my head around degrading someone who you baptized. Especially if it was later that night. I think for most Christians, baptism is typically one of the most spiritual experiences of your life.
 
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I just wonder...

What would have happened?

If he had been that "good friend" who baptized her? Instead of pop rocks, x-rated texts, and immorality, he helped her integrate into the new religion? Would they still be friends today? Would she have stayed active? Would they have gotten married?
If he had not led her on, he'd still be alive today.
If she had gotten over him and told him to keep his fantasies to himself, would that have rocked his world enough to finally wake up and be the valiant priesthood holder everyone "thought" he was? She would have avoided that whole murder thing. She'd have her freedom.

Had he just done the right thing, he could have a life... Family... Career... Today.
Had she done the right thing and not killed him, she could have had all those things today.

In this case, there are no winners or losers.

I feel bad for both of them.
 
Dude wanted the best both worlds - wanted to be a good Mormon boy to the world while having his little freak on the side. All while tearing her apart to his friends. Only problem is he was messing with a ticking time bomb.

No one deserved what happened to him but they were both ****s
 
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