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That roses always create seeds that will becomes roses *is* evolution.

That is just a bizarre statement.

You just threw your whole "change over time" out the window with just one sentence.

Things staying the same ain't change and you Darwiniacs kinda need huge *** change to get from an amoeba to a rose.
 
I love how evolution deniers trying to argue, that since we do not see it happening within our short period of time we can't explain how it happened within millions of years. It is the same like you would be in denial at crime scene where somebody was shot - forensic specialist will tell you from what distance, what angle, how long ago, everything to small details to know how the crime occured. Same with evolution - you have fossil records and changes throughout the million years, just need to put everything together. Not that difficult. None of you dared to answer my question about new species appearing in our time - do you trully believe it is your "intelligent designer" who is creating them?
Other thing I found interesting is looking at people survey's about evolution... USA is the most "uneducated/sceptical" when it comes to evolution. Compared to Europe and Japan for example where more then 90% population understands and accepts evolution only 40% in USA do. I am not surprised right now to see such a ridiculous arguments on this website. Would never happen in Europe ( heck even in Canada I have never met a person who would deny evolution.) While countries like UK spend millions to create spectacular educational movies like "Walking with dinosaurs", "Walking with cavemen", "Walking with prehistoric monsters" some Americans waste millions on "Creation museum". USA is trully a strange country.
 
Edit: I must say though, your most annoying catch phrase got to be "consensus science". Which seems to disagree with a scientific model simply because of the fact that the evidence is so thorough and uncontroversial, that every human being who studies the evidence agrees with the conclusion. In short, you're mocking those who have knowledge for not sharing your ignorance based opinion. You can't see how ridiculous that FoxNews catch phrase is?
Even the most fanatic Darwiniac only invokes consensus for their crazy *** story not 100% agreement, so you had to have been at the pinnacle of your faith at the moment you typed that.

Your crazy *** story only seems unimpeachable because scientists who challenge it get sued and/or lose their jobs for daring to go up against the dogma disguised as "scientific theory." Darwiniacs treat any questioning of their supposed "scientific theory" like heresy which is a sure sign of its scientific veracity.

How could a kid possibly question a biology teacher or some claim written in a government textbook if they can't even pray or chew pop-tarts into the shape of guns without a liberal busybody butting in and punishing them for not being little Obamabots.

There is no way to know what adults believe about Darwin's theory when everyone has been manipulated into going along with it through claims of scientific consensus.

My guess is:
*most government school graduates go along with it because they were indoctrinated with it

*a lot of God-believers who don't really believe it may go along with it because it is easier to acquiesce to loud mouthed liberals who lord their stories over God-believers like apes with a club.

*some critical thinkers might question it, but most really won't care enough to understand what Darwiniacs are really claiming

*Then there is a buttload of people who got all confused about what "evolution" really is when the Darwiniac purveyors of consensus science started calling small differences in populations "micro-evolution."

*Also, Darwiniacs pick off more uncritical people by describing evolution as "change over time" in the same way they describe killing a baby as "reproductive choice."

I'm guessing with the percentage of people in America who claim to believe in God, that the real consensus on the origin of life would be intelligent design if people were allowed to hear about it.

I will conclude with my memorized fox news catch phrase (otherwise known as the description of consensus science by the late Michael Crichton):

“I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had.
“Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.
“There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period.”
[Crichton gave a number of examples where the scientific consensus was completely wrong for many years.]
“… Finally, I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E = mc². Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away. It would never occur to anyone to speak that way.”​
 
I love how evolution deniers trying to argue, that since we do not see it happening within our short period of time we can't explain how it happened within millions of years. It is the same like you would be in denial at crime scene where somebody was shot - forensic specialist will tell you from what distance, what angle, how long ago, everything to small details to know how the crime occured. Same with evolution - you have fossil records and changes throughout the million years, just need to put everything together. Not that difficult. None of you dared to answer my question about new species appearing in our time - do you trully believe it is your "intelligent designer" who is creating them?

Okay, so you get out your fossils and you line them up from smallest to biggest how you think they might have progressed. Then you tell us that a series of lucky accidents accounts for this progress. Then we say, hey you geniuses, "that looks like a clean and well organized sequence of events," but then you keep on telling us that this was a brutal dog eat dog fight for survival among all the retarded babies, but then you can't show us the pile of dead "unfit" babies (except maybe in Kermit Gosnell's backyard).

Show us all your unfit fossil babies, and I'll bake you a 10 tier cake to celebrate Darwin's birthday.
 
If there ain't any predators to see them it has no baring on their "fitness" for survival.

Moot, since there were predators.

There were black and white moths before pollution and there was black and white moths after.

Of course.

If you continued to support this idea that nature knows how to deal with pollution you would also undermine the entire "climate change" movement. Ooops.

I don't see the connection between the peppered moth experiment and "nature knows".
 
You just threw your whole "change over time" out the window with just one sentence.

Things staying the same ain't change and you Darwiniacs kinda need huge *** change to get from an amoeba to a rose.

If roses are descended from amoebas (which I don't think is true), then a rose is just a particular type of amoeba.
 
Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E = mc².

Chrichton obviously never read arguments with relativity cranks. Of course, relativity cranks don't have multi-million-dollar corporate support.
 
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