Twin Towers
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Lucas Nogueira to the Jazz at #14?
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Jazz4ever
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Agree, but he did play very effectively in the ACB last year, toughest euro league there is.
Tomic played well in the ACB last year...... so if we wanted a big, why waste it on Nogueira?
Jazz4ever
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The thing about Tomic, he kinda doesn't want to play in the NBA. He is getting paid a lot of money right now and is getting all the toys and chicks so life is good.
Beantown
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Game6Conley
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Noguiera vs Adams is classic, Rebounding vs Upside
the thing with Noguiera is hes not as much of a project as you would expect, if you read about him thru the years he had marked improvement this season... most importantly in effort
in the BPA vs Need argument he certainly is big enough to always displace kanter and favors to PF, this is a basket defender to start and a true Center, do not underrate his athleticism
Gobert might be a better project but i think Noguiera has more of a chance to not be a benchwarmer during the rookie contract... i cannot advocate taking Noguiera@14, if Goberts available at 21
who knows really, no one ever wants to talk about the centers on Jazzfanz because of Al's imminent resigning
also 66% ft's... that aint bad, btw this kid can really run, the question is will he?
the thing with Noguiera is hes not as much of a project as you would expect, if you read about him thru the years he had marked improvement this season... most importantly in effort
in the BPA vs Need argument he certainly is big enough to always displace kanter and favors to PF, this is a basket defender to start and a true Center, do not underrate his athleticism
Gobert might be a better project but i think Noguiera has more of a chance to not be a benchwarmer during the rookie contract... i cannot advocate taking Noguiera@14, if Goberts available at 21
who knows really, no one ever wants to talk about the centers on Jazzfanz because of Al's imminent resigning
also 66% ft's... that aint bad, btw this kid can really run, the question is will he?
Twin Towers
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When I same frame I mean there shoulders. Width of the frame. Sorry for not being more descriptive. Their frame being able to create space and hold there ground when someone is backing them down. The width of a frame can make more of a difference than any wing span.
If wingspan created legit players than
Whiteside, John Riek, Mamadou Ndiaye (8'1 wingspan), Alexis Ajinca, Saer Sene all would of turned out well (All over 7'6).
These long skinny players come into the draft every year. There are always 2-4 of them who are freaks. And they usually are out of the league in 2-3 years.
GM's get fooled by it every year. Luckily the Jazz usually don't.
Game6Conley
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many of those players were drafted on size, not merit of skill. and the Saer Sene pick was to save money, Riek had a foot injury he didnt recover from, whoever thought hassan whiteside was gonna be effective must have been on drugs, Ajinca actually fooled me, i thought he had a chance
Gobert can run all of those players out of the Gym, plus players of that size must be in good health or its a major redflag(foot concerns seem to take out most giants..) and Noguiera can outrun all of those centers also, if hes not standing around
i actually would have taken Jason Williams over Yao Ming because of this giant issue, but uh, Mings career was better? im not sure
Game6Conley
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its common for many of those giants to not be able to find proper footwear until they're on the radar for a basketball team (late teens) usually their feet are damaged goods by then
Like most things, I think the problem with Whiteside is, he has all the upside/athleticism in the world, he just didn't see to have the mentality to put them all together.
Adams on the other hand seems like a really smart kid.. he'll put it all together 1 day.
Game6Conley
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adams is going to be a demon on the boards, i actually think kanter maybe in for a rude awakening during a strongman contest with adams
hassan whiteside is an athelete and not a basketball player, didnt have a draftable grade... Noguiera is already a success when cast in the light of Hassan Whiteside, for sure
I like Withey. Not too high on my wish list, but I'd take him over Plumlee that's for sure.
Size comparision via draftexpress
Gobert
7'2" 238 lb
9'7" Reach with 7'8.5" wingspan
He must have a long neck a la Bosh.
20 years old- turns 21 on 6/26
Nogueira
7'0" 220 lb
9'6" reach with 7'6"
20 years old- turns 21 on 7/26
Withey
7'0.5" 222 lb
9'2.5" reach with 7'2" wingspan
23 years old - turns 24 on 3/07
At Withey age, I wouldn't expect a lot of strength gain.
Gobert
7'2" 238 lb
9'7" Reach with 7'8.5" wingspan
He must have a long neck a la Bosh.
20 years old- turns 21 on 6/26
Nogueira
7'0" 220 lb
9'6" reach with 7'6"
20 years old- turns 21 on 7/26
Withey
7'0.5" 222 lb
9'2.5" reach with 7'2" wingspan
23 years old - turns 24 on 3/07
At Withey age, I wouldn't expect a lot of strength gain.
Twin Towers
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old weight. He is 235 now. And you can just watch him and see he doesn't get pushed around. No worries there.
but I thought Millsap was a late 1st round pick. Was upset we didn't trade up. big surprise he fell to us.
Game6Conley
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people screaming this is a weak draft, whilst saying noguiera wasent a 1st rounder, months ago in the draft thread.
u probably shouldent go to that thread, those guys are idiots.
Noguiera has better tools than Tyson Chandler, if the draft is weak hows a player like that not gonna at-least go in the end of the lottery. doesn't add up
u probably shouldent go to that thread, those guys are idiots.
Noguiera has better tools than Tyson Chandler, if the draft is weak hows a player like that not gonna at-least go in the end of the lottery. doesn't add up
Game6Conley
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Favors 33mins
Kanter 33mins
Noguiera 20mins
Giannis/Marvin 10mins
= 96 mins for pf/c
(0 minutes for Al and Millsap)
watcha think about that?
id be more worried about favors and kanters foul trouble than Noguiera handling 20mins
Noguiera is the type of player where if u draft him, u gotta know hes gonna fall in line, or else beware. i think that would happen here, our Rebounding would really be overpowered with Noguiera.
bottomline with noguiera
Better than
DeAndre Jordan
#14 is great value
Kanter 33mins
Noguiera 20mins
Giannis/Marvin 10mins
= 96 mins for pf/c
(0 minutes for Al and Millsap)
watcha think about that?
id be more worried about favors and kanters foul trouble than Noguiera handling 20mins
Noguiera is the type of player where if u draft him, u gotta know hes gonna fall in line, or else beware. i think that would happen here, our Rebounding would really be overpowered with Noguiera.
bottomline with noguiera
Better than
DeAndre Jordan
#14 is great value
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IMO Chandler is a better athlete. Nogueira seems to have a more consistent shooting stroke though. Chandler had/has better BBIQ and instincs. Nogueira doesn't look like he is super intense or that he is a bigtime competitor.
I go back and for on Bebe. Yesterday I was all for drafting him. Today I don't know.
Game6Conley
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chandler is skinny... bebe can and will handle much more weight, Noguiera has great bounce... lateral quickness and his standing reach is more than Demarcus Cousins which is notable, id consider that Elite
66% Ft's is key, i think thats a great stat but if you know lucas thruought the years, it just further reinforces that this year hes focused.
he actually clearly has an attention span problem... i think Utah would be a great place for him to learn
we must have someone able to throw a nice alley oop, if Noguiera is the pick at 14
The Thriller
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Buyer beware on Lucas.
Brazilians aren't exactly known for their toughness. And this kid isn't known for his motor. Dealing with the NBA size and physical play is completely different than his passion fruit and samba playing league that he is used to. The NBA playoffs have proven to me 1 thing... This jazz team literally only has 4 guys built for the NBA playoffs. Junkyard dog, favors, Hayward, and kanter. The rest of this team would wet the bed when going against motivated and physical beasts like griffin, big z, Duncan, Noah, hibbert, lebron, kg, etc.
This team has lacked physical players for a long time. Electing instead, to go with pretty boy finesse guys under Okur/boozer and Big Al/Millsap.
I think we might draft this kid thinking he will be a shot blocking enforcer and find ourselves a 7 foot pansie. I also strongly question his dedication. After he gets that first check will he "Fess out" just being happy that he has finally "made it" to the states?
If given the choice between Brazilian Dikembe and Withey, id really take a look at Withey. Loved his toughness and defensive intelligence. Dude won't ever be an all-star. but like maybe Asik or Gortat, will pull off so many key defensive plays and rebounds/tips that he will have a very long NBA career.
Brazilians aren't exactly known for their toughness. And this kid isn't known for his motor. Dealing with the NBA size and physical play is completely different than his passion fruit and samba playing league that he is used to. The NBA playoffs have proven to me 1 thing... This jazz team literally only has 4 guys built for the NBA playoffs. Junkyard dog, favors, Hayward, and kanter. The rest of this team would wet the bed when going against motivated and physical beasts like griffin, big z, Duncan, Noah, hibbert, lebron, kg, etc.
This team has lacked physical players for a long time. Electing instead, to go with pretty boy finesse guys under Okur/boozer and Big Al/Millsap.
I think we might draft this kid thinking he will be a shot blocking enforcer and find ourselves a 7 foot pansie. I also strongly question his dedication. After he gets that first check will he "Fess out" just being happy that he has finally "made it" to the states?
If given the choice between Brazilian Dikembe and Withey, id really take a look at Withey. Loved his toughness and defensive intelligence. Dude won't ever be an all-star. but like maybe Asik or Gortat, will pull off so many key defensive plays and rebounds/tips that he will have a very long NBA career.