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framer

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One of the great things about the Gobert signing is that it allows for a TON of flexibility in constructing a bench. One of the reasons that projects like Gobert flame out, is that WAY too much pressure is put on them to be Something Special. People want another Hakeem and don't often consider a lesser rim protector an asset. That is because they want these guys to start.



The Utah Jazz are almost unique in that there is no need (if things go the way we want them to) for Gobert to ever have to face up for any long stretch of time against the other team's starters. Honestly, who are the other bench bigs in the NBA that scare you? Competing against those stiffs is all that we will ever require of Gobert. That is his floor, and it is achievable. If he becomes starter material, that is a good problem to have and it will open a lot of doors for us.



This piece allows us a few more luxuries like a proper stretch 4 on the bench. Gobert isn't an entire liability on offense as he has good size and soft hands and knows his limitations (shoots like 75% I believe.) He pairs up nicely with a bench stretch 4, which can be had at almost any time. Most stretch 4's aren't defensive stoppers, and the big guy covers for that by clogging the lane effectively. Again, all we need from him is what Ostertag had in his playbook, and all we need it against is bench competition.



Finally, this will also allow us the luxury of an undersized gunner at the 2 spot coming off the bench. As long as we pair Gobert up with another good team defender like DMC, we can hide that player's defensive issues against other bench players. Again, this would eventually bite us in a starting situation, but not off the bench.



As a proper playoff rotation needs only 8-10 players, all we need to add is that stretch 4, the undersize Jason Terry type gunner (or that could be a normal sized Burkes for an added bonus) and a solid backup PG that can manage a game and not let the other team make a large run (perhaps Maynor?) Every one of those pieces are available at any corner Circle K. The Spurs have a year's supply down in their basement.




Now if we Tank properly and add a superstar in next years draft, the sky will be the limit. . .
 
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Valid points. With Lindsey hinting the Jazz still need to speak with their Bird's right FA's, maybe they feel the best answer for their "stretch 4" is Millsap. He and Favors would start, at least for next season, with Enes coming off the bench. I think the Jazz have soured on Kanter and he'll be traded within the next two years. Perhaps Gobert's progress will dictate if/when. I like DMC, but think he's overrated as a defender. Love his hustle, but don't see him as a long-term solution. Jazz need to get a starting SF (if they intend to have Hayward at SG) via the draft next year or at the deadline. That leaves a solid backup PG...if Neto doesn't fill that role and another wing. All very doable.
 
(or that could be a normal sized Burkes for an added bonus)
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Kanter's problem may be that he seems like a party guy.
How many pictures have we seen with him with women at bars.
That may catch up with him sooner or later.
Maybe Jazz don't like the image he's giving them.
Maybe that's why they might try to move him.
 
I guess there is no better place to get advice on how to build bench than from Mr. Framer himself
 
Kanter's problem may be that he seems like a party guy.
How many pictures have we seen with him with women at bars.
That may catch up with him sooner or later.
Maybe Jazz don't like the image he's giving them.
Maybe that's why they might try to move him.
Doesn't sit well with the conservative Millers. Remember when they didn't want Dee to have a bad influence on Deron? Granted, DB wasn't a rotation player, but I think Lindsey is just as committed as the Millers to having good character guys on the team. You wouldn't see pics like that from SA players...or at least when you did, SA would have them on the trading block.
 
Doesn't sit well with the conservative Millers. Remember when they didn't want Dee to have a bad influence on Deron? Granted, DB wasn't a rotation player, but I think Lindsey is just as committed as the Millers to having good character guys on the team. You wouldn't see pics like that from SA players...or at least when you did, SA would have them on the trading block.
Yeah, they just bang each other's wives
 
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I can't say this enough. We can't make a trade for a SF because all the assets we have we don't want to trade. So we are stuck with free agency.

We could go after JJ Redick but that would move Hayward to the 3 where I don't think he will be as effective.

Webster is a good shooter and athletic enough to be a decent defender. And he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. Which helps Burke and Hayward.

He is the most reasonable guy we can go after without paying a stupid price. I would pay him 6-7 million a year for 4 years. He is 26 right now so his contract will end at the perfect time and if we find someone better than he won't hurt us that much. 6-7 Million a year sounds like a lot but we will have to overpay so he doesn't go to a team like the Clippers.

Hard to find guys who can shoot as well as he can while also having decent athleticism.

Burke - Veteran - Neto
Hayward - Burks
Webster - Carroll - Marvin Williams
Kanter - Veteran - Evans
Favors - Gobert

The Veteran we find will probably play the majority of the minutes to help Favors and Kanter. Hayward will spend a little time at the 3 so Burks will play more.
 
Martell Webster Martell Webster Martell Webster

I can't say this enough. We can't make a trade for a SF because all the assets we have we don't want to trade. So we are stuck with free agency.

We could go after JJ Redick but that would move Hayward to the 3 where I don't think he will be as effective.

Webster is a good shooter and athletic enough to be a decent defender. And he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. Which helps Burke and Hayward.

He is the most reasonable guy we can go after without paying a stupid price. I would pay him 6-7 million a year for 4 years. He is 26 right now so his contract will end at the perfect time and if we find someone better than he won't hurt us that much. 6-7 Million a year sounds like a lot but we will have to overpay so he doesn't go to a team like the Clippers.

Hard to find guys who can shoot as well as he can while also having decent athleticism.

Burke - Veteran - Neto
Hayward - Burks
Webster - Carroll - Marvin Williams
Kanter - Veteran - Evans
Favors - Gobert

The Veteran we find will probably play the majority of the minutes to help Favors and Kanter. Hayward will spend a little time at the 3 so Burks will play more.

You can have the rest of today off.



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As far as bigs I like Elton Brand, Nikola Pekovic, Jason Smith, Chris Copeland, Tiago Splitter. 2 guard or small forward I like Tyreke Evans, Tony Allen, Al Farouq Aminu. Point Guard Eric Maynor, Chauncey Billups, and Jarret Jack. These are the ones I think would come with the options of decent contracts and would be helpful to the young guns.
 
As far as bigs I like Elton Brand, Nikola Pekovic, Jason Smith, Chris Copeland, Tiago Splitter. 2 guard or small forward I like Tyreke Evans, Tony Allen, Al Farouq Aminu. Point Guard Eric Maynor, Chauncey Billups, and Jarret Jack. These are the ones I think would come with the options of decent contracts and would be helpful to the young guns.

I think the plan is to get these extra pieces with enough upside to turn them into an asset if they morph into something more than a bench player. I think one of the biggest lessons that we learned is that turning unknown or underappreciated players into something (Matthews, Millsap, Carroll) is a much better way to go than rescuing decrepit antiques like "American Pickers" (Tinsley, Starks, Tom Chambers.) The antiques seem to fall apart at some point when you need them the most. The older guys seem to either try to hang on long after we don't need them or bolt if they actually have value. I'll take that from Matthews, who just wanted us to match his big offer (but still wanted to stay.) Screw you Bell and Danny Manning.
 
As far as bigs I like Elton Brand, Nikola Pekovic, Jason Smith, Chris Copeland, Tiago Splitter. 2 guard or small forward I like Tyreke Evans, Tony Allen, Al Farouq Aminu. Point Guard Eric Maynor, Chauncey Billups, and Jarret Jack. These are the ones I think would come with the options of decent contracts and would be helpful to the young guns.

Brand - Yes but will have to overpay again because he will want to contend. But worth it because of the mentoring.
Pekovic - Out of our price range for a back up
Jason Smith - Too injury prone and soft
Copeland - Possibly but I think his foot speed is too slow to guard SF's in the league. But he is better than most
Splitter - Awesome but I think spurs will resign him. They have the money now (Manu's contract is up)
Evans - NO NO NO NO NO If you want to kill the development of all of our players we could sign him. Al Jefferson of wing players
Tony Allen - Not bad but his athleticism is declining and it showed in the playoffs. Not a fan of players who can't shoot.
Aminu - If the Pelicans don't want him why would we? He can't shoot so no thanks.
Maynor - Possibly not sure why his shooting percentages have been so bad last few years. Thought he was better than that
Billups - I like this option. He was a chucker in the league in my opinion. And his defense is not good anymore. But I think he is better than Tinsley. So I am for it if that is as all we can get. But he wants to contend. Have to overpay.
Jack - I think he would be perfect. Tough player with a decent outside shot. I say decent because he has only had 1 good year from the 3. Kind of scares me. Marvin had the same thing.
Having 2 fiesty PG's in Burke and Jack? No backing down. Not sure how Favors and Kanter will get along with him......... lol (Kobe and Artest squashed there fighting to play together)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFBEUks6Wvs

Don't forget Webster lol As I will pimp him all summer until he signs somewhere
 
Do we all agree on Jarret Jack? He'd be a capable starter while Trey gets adjusted and would be a great mentor for him which is what the FO office wants, and he's one of the best backup PG's in the NBA.

My free agent wish list: Jarret Jack, Randy Foye, DeMarre Carroll, and DeJuan Blair.

Blair would be an epic backup center. Plus he has ties with Dennis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai7p4J2qRYg
 
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