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Was Fes' Play Last Night An Aberration?

Last night Kobe was 0-4 in the first half. Any coach with a lick of sense woulda known that he was havin an off-night and benched him for the rest of the game. But not that dumbass Phil Jackson. When a game is over, I know exactly who made and missed what shots, who blew defensive assignments, etc. A good coach knows all those things BEFOREHAND, though. It doesn't matter what a coach may have come to expect, based on past performance. It's stupid to think that a player who has played well in the past can "play through" a stretch where is is sub-par. He should be yanked immediately in favor of a scrub who had repeatedly proved in practice that he will continue to make the same mistakes he has never corrected despite tons of practice. He can't be worse than a guy that you KNOW will give you nuthin, based on the fact that he missed his last shot, er sumthin, eh?
 
Fess coulda had a nice, valuable role on the team the last couple years as a designated goon, like Hoffa, good for 6 hard fouls in 4 minutes and accompanying injuries to the other team's players, except for one thing. He don't have Hoffa's mean streak.
 
Last night Kobe was 0-4 in the first half. Any coach with a lick of sense woulda known that he was havin an off-night and benched him for the rest of the game. But not that dumbass Phil Jackson. When a game is over, I know exactly who made and missed what shots, who blew defensive assignments, etc. A good coach knows all those things BEFOREHAND, though. It doesn't matter what a coach may have come to expect, based on past performance. It's stupid to think that a player who has played well in the past can "play through" a stretch where is is sub-par. He should be yanked immediately in favor of a scrub who had repeatedly proved in practice that he will continue to make the same mistakes he has never corrected despite tons of practice. He can't be worse than a guy that you KNOW will give you nuthin, based on the fact that he missed his last shot, er sumthin, eh?
Your feeble attempt at using a top 3 player in the NBA, coming off surgery, in the preseason, who already has not only thousands of minutes but many years of performance to justify playing him, as an example against playing Fes is pretty worthless. And “playing through” poor defense is not consistent with Jerry’s supposed philosophy. And LOL that you will use in-game performance as a criterion for one player and then use practice as a criterion for the other. Lastly, a single-quarter shooting slump for a post-surgery player is far different from a rotation of 4/5 players who have repeatedly been ineffective especially against certain teams, no matter whether they were trying or not. Don’t make countering your points so easy, Hopper. At least make it a challenge.
 
Fess coulda had a nice, valuable role on the team the last couple years as a designated goon, like Hoffa, good for 6 hard fouls in 4 minutes and accompanying injuries to the other team's players, except for one thing. He don't have Hoffa's mean streak.
Oh, and the other thing: Fes, with experience, is starting to make free throws and figure out how to beat players in the block. Still needs to get the fouls and TOs down; the TOs are coming partly from trying to pass the rock--something that Hoffa never really had the chance to develop.
 
Oh, and the other thing: Fes, with experience, is starting to make free throws and figure out how to beat players in the block. Still needs to get the fouls and TOs down; the TOs are coming partly from trying to pass the rock--something that Hoffa never really had the chance to develop.


S2, I'm not trying to respond to your claims, just like you don't respond to my posts or questions, except on a very selective basis. You simply re-iterate your cliams, ad infinitum, and ignore any counter argument.

Question, though. How is it possible for Fess to be a better free throw shooter and display better moves in the block with "experience" when he aint never got no experience?
 
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Take another grasp.
 
I've been told that if a guy has legs then it is at least theoretically possible for him to run.

I don't see it that way. I figure it's like this here: If a guy can run, then he will grow legs.
 
Fess played in all of the Jazz's final four games (all losses to the Lakers) last year. In three of those games, he didn't go to the free throw line even once. His post moves were exactly drawin fouls, and they weren't exactly goin in, either (overall he was 5-16 in the series) In the other game he got four free throws, and missed them all. Then the season ended. No more "in-game" experience. And that "experience," alone, made him a good free throw shooter, and gave him effective post moves, eh? Go figure.
 
Fes proved himself enough to play in games by playing in games.

That is the debatable point. I don't think he did. And it comes at the expense of others who need time in the system.

Jerry might be fully aware of his lack of adjustment of lineups to what is going on in a given game, but that doesn't mean that it's effective.

This is a correct statement. My point was to show that when any of us reference that Jerry doesn't see this or that, I think he does and it is a decision process not a ignorance issue.

And it is absolutely laughable that you are using Tree as an example to prove your point. Even after Collins had years of experience (including the minutes) he was not necessarily benefitting the whole team to play out there. Collins is yet another example of a player whom Sloan overrated and played too much because of Collins' demeanor (and maybe work ethic and maybe practice; I don't have evidence of that). You are totally walking into my argument if you are using Collins as an example of Sloan's decisions working well.

It is not laughable. He rated Collins on his willingness/ability to play in the SYSTEM. Of course I think Jerry makes mistakes in his own plan or within his own strategy. He says it. We all know that. Ultimately finding a singular example of a mistake does not change that a strategy of consistency with the core rotation is a good philosophy, one that has been proven successful.

I agree that boozer's dogging it did HURT THE TEAM as you said. However, it is a risk at that point in dealing with Boozer...


LOL. Your example to prove your point (and perhaps cost the team a victory) is when Memo failed?? And you're trying to defend not putting in Fes because he'll hurt the team (when more often than not he didn't)? Think more carefully before you craft your claims; you might be contradicting yourself.

Yes, i believe fully that sloan allowed that Dallas situation to happen. In this case it was his theory that the team would understand that playing one-on-one is not a good idea. That was a single event to alert or wake up the team. If i thought that by playing Fes one game (one quarter), one instance, that it would have the same amount of emphasis on the point of supporting the team, via the team concept then i would agree with you. However i don't see it that way. Ulitmately, i think Fes' skill set, demeanor, ability to keep the system moving was not enough to get him time in games.

And you think that sitting Boozer for 5 minutes is going to "rip the situation apart"--more than his matador defense? Your logic is worse than Sloan's. You and others are so focused on players jackpotting around in practice when that has far less to do with the team's success than players who are jackpotting around in games. .

I do think Boozer was "this close" at any point being a negative distraction significantly larger than any "in-game-strategy" would be as a positive. And this is Boozer not all players. I think no one on the team today is that powerful for example. The reason is also related to having boozer be as happy as possible for trade-bait, etc.

What Sloan does well: instill a sense of work ethic and team play. What Sloan does not do well: adjust lineups and in-game strategies to address what is going on in a given game, and develop players who are not already self motivated (and thus who would probably develop well without him).

Agree. And i think that plan of his:
* Choose consistency of playing time toward maximizing the system is a reasonable trade-off against potential confusion/disapointment of In-Game-Strategy movement
* To not spend time/effort on those who are not self-motivated (which is a pretty common rule of business)

is a pretty sucessful plan.
 
It's as simple as this: Sloan has some metric for what you have to do in order to earn playing time. "Earn" here is the operative word.

It's obvious that Fes was too much of a goofball/didn't take things seriously/[whatever] to earn playing time in Sloan's offense.

Whether or not Fes "deserves" playing time is irrelevant because according to Sloan's metric, Fes did not earn it.

I'm fairly sure Fes knew that practicing hard/taking things seriously is a prerequisite for earning playing time. The blame is squarely on him for not molding himself to Sloan...rather than the blame being on Sloan for not molding to Fes.
 
It's as simple as this: Sloan has some metric for what you have to do in order to earn playing time. "Earn" here is the operative word.
Yes, "earn" is the operative word. The existing 4/5 rotation did not "earn" to be on the court over the only real 7-footer and center that the Jazz had. And when Fes was on the court, he "earned" more time than he was given.

It's obvious that Fes was too much of a goofball/didn't take things seriously/[whatever] to earn playing time in Sloan's offense.
It's obvious that Fes was not a goofball on the court, which has a higher correlation with future performance.

Whether or not Fes "deserves" playing time is irrelevant because according to Sloan's metric, Fes did not earn it.
Yes, and that is why Sloan's system evaluation was flawed. It hasn't been flawed just for Fesenko, though; it's been flawed for playing the likes of Milt Palacio, Jarron Colins and (at times) Matt Harpring too much, and it's been flawed for not giving players enough time to develop on the court.

I'm fairly sure Fes knew that practicing hard/taking things seriously is a prerequisite for earning playing time. The blame is squarely on him for not molding himself to Sloan...rather than the blame being on Sloan for not molding to Fes.
No, because Fes had shown on the court to be superior to the defensive garbage that was the alternative.
 
Whether his system is flawed or not is, at least to me, irrelevant. He's the coach and, in the eyes of ownership, is much higher on the pecking order than the players. It's his decision regardless of whether what he does is fundamentally right or wrong.

A simplified analogy is to a business. If you know that wearing a tie will impress your boss and you refuse to wear one, then complaining about not getting a promotion is meaningless.

How did he show on the court to be superior? He's a foul machine who (potentially) could send Gasol or Dwight or Perkins to the line 6 times a night. That's a potential 12 point swing. He could temper his propensity for fouling by taking practice more seriously, listening to the coaches, etc. Without more robust evidence, I think we have to assume that he was being benched for a very good reason, and I am inclined to believe this is the case.
 
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