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With the guys being brought to summer league camp it appears they guys we have never heard of have some solid stats at other professional levels. There might be a couple of the undrafted dudes that are Danny Green or Gary Neal like. It looks to me like there are no embarassments on the invitees.
 
Danny Green was drafted. Danny Green was well known out of college. We're really downplaying Danny Green on Jazzfanz Gais... Really.
 
The Jazz seem to be fairly competent at finding hidden gems. Mo Williams, Millsap, Wes Matthew, Sundiata Gaines, Othyus Jeffries. All late 2nd rounders or d-league call ups that have found NBA homes. True none are burning the house down but for a bunch of no bodies that is pretty damn good.

Hopefully this McNeal guy, a big and a pair of wings will pan out enough to round out the roster. That will force the youth into all the major roles across the board.

Favors/Gobert/SL Guy #1
Kanter/Evans/SL guy #1
Hayward/Carroll/SL Guy #2
Burks/SL guy #3/Murphy
Burke/Tinsley/McNeal

That is 14 players.
 
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The Jazz seem to be fairly competent at findign hidden gems. Mo Williams, Millsap, Wes Matthew, Sudniata Gaines, Othyus Jeffries. All late 2nd rounders or d-league call ups that have found NBA homes. True none are burning the house down but for a bunch of no bodies that is pretty damn good.

Hopefully this McNeal guy a big and a pair of wings will pan out enough to round out the roster. That will force the youth into all the major roles across the board.

Favors/Gobert/SL Guy #1
Kanter/Evans/SL guy #1
Hayward/Carroll/SL Guy #2
Burks/SL guy #3/Murphy
Burke/Tinsley/McNeal

That is 14 players.
I'll be the driver!
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I'll be the driver!
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I just don't like that assumption. Tanking to me is what GSW did. To me developing your youth and rebuilding is not tanking. I think the youth will be better than people give them credit for. I seriously doubt they would be top 10 bad. I agree with PKM that they would be 11-14 bad.
 
The Jazz seem to be fairly competent at finding hidden gems. Mo Williams, Millsap, Wes Matthew, Sundiata Gaines, Othyus Jeffries. All late 2nd rounders or d-league call ups that have found NBA homes. True none are burning the house down but for a bunch of no bodies that is pretty damn good.

Hopefully this McNeal guy, a big and a pair of wings will pan out enough to round out the roster. That will force the youth into all the major roles across the board.

Favors/Gobert/SL Guy #1
Kanter/Evans/SL guy #1
Hayward/Carroll/SL Guy #2
Burks/SL guy #3/Murphy
Burke/Tinsley/McNeal

That is 14 players.

No way Ty starts Burks at the 2.
 
If Sap leaves Drew Gordon is a similar size to him and got a lot of double doubles in college at UCLA and New Mexico. He was projected to be a first round NBA draft pick at the start of his senior year but something happened and he went undrafted.
 
I just don't like that assumption. Tanking to me is what GSW did. To me developing your youth and rebuilding is not tanking. I think the youth will be better than people give them credit for. I seriously doubt they would be top 10 bad. I agree with PKM that they would be 11-14 bad.
I don't doubt that the youth will be very competitive. But a bench of Gobert, Evans, Carroll, Tinsley and a SL guy is going to be the worst in the NBA. Seriously, where does the offense come from, especially since Corbin doesn't realize you don't HAVE to play 5 subs at the same time? Even if you were to replace Gobert with Millsap or the SL guy with Foye, the second unit WILL struggle. At that's where games will be lost. Starters compete, but subs are outscored by 15 pts. Let's use PKM's term of "professional tanking" instead. If the Jazz aren't looking to sign good FA's, it means they're fine with 25-30 wins. And I am THRILLED if that happens.
 
I just don't like that assumption. Tanking to me is what GSW did. To me developing your youth and rebuilding is not tanking. I think the youth will be better than people give them credit for. I seriously doubt they would be top 10 bad. I agree with PKM that they would be 11-14 bad.

I agree with this. Assembling talent and then building them up is not tanking, even though it might have the added benefit of finishing low enough to get a good pick next year...to add even more young talent so that we have a shot at putting together a championship contender.
 
If the Jazz aren't looking to sign good FA's, it means they're fine with 25-30 wins. And I am THRILLED if that happens.

To put that in perspective that means a home record of about 21 wins and 21 losses and only about 4 to 9 road wins. (Last season the mighty jazz had 13 road wins and 30 at home). That could be a long season. My hope is that if this scenario comes that the Jazz can atleast keep many games close.

Kyrie Irving in his 2nd year led a young Cavs squad to 24 wins.
Kemba Walker in his 2nd year led the dysfunctional Cats 21 wins.

But Rookie Lilliard palying with veterans Aldridge, Mathew and Batum had 33 wins.

What will rookie Burke do???
 
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To put that in perspective that means a home record of about 21 wins and 21 losses and only about 4 to 9 road wins. (Last season the mighty jazz had 13 road wins and 30 at home). That could be a long season. My hope is that if this scenario comes that the Jazz can atleast keep many games close.
Kings last season were 20-21 at home and 8-33 on the road. I could see the Jazz at that level. And, we know some players will miss games. Only Foye played in all 82 last season. Take a starter away for any length and the losses will pile up; the Jazz don't have any quality depth.
 
I wouldn't mind a couple of decent vets, just no big contracts to players who will impede development please.

I would expect we'll look a lot like Portland last year, we can win games for sure, but when we have any injury or our bench has to play major minutes, we will lose.
 
I don't want to see them tank, but it's about time that they see exactly what they have with their young core 5. They might not win much, but that's not a bad thing if they're looking at a top pick in 2014. If they prove to be more competitive than I expect, then they know where to upgrade and who to pay moving forward.

To be perfectly honest, they should have started this process after the lockout. As soon as Deron Williams was traded, they should have gone young and seen where it got them. I have no doubt that they would have struggled, but they would be in a better place than they are right now. They would have probably ended up with a top 5 pick in the 2012 draft (Lillard) and another pick in the 8-10 range from a tanking Golden State team (Barnes/Drummond) and two unhappy big men/assets that they could move to get additional picks and more young depth.

Then they would have been out of the higher tax bracket and give themselves some financial flexibility, plus a solid young core with tons of experience. But they didn't do that. They started this process two years too late. I want them to go as cheap as possible to build around the core guys. The only free agent I'd really like to see brought back is Carroll. Everyone else can go. Keep the financial ability to take on 2014 or 2015 picks to bail out high tax teams. Even if they aren't lottery picks, they are valuable assets to build with. With any luck, they strike gold and end up with a top 5 pick. That has the potential to really jump start things if Favors, Kanter, Hayward and Burke turn into the types of players that I think they can.

I'd also make a HUGE push to get Ante Tomic state-side. It's about time to cash in on that investment. Use the buyout and pay him better than what he's making in Europe. A front court rotation of Favors, Kanter, Tomic and Gobert sounds like it could be amazing in 2-3 years. But they need to start getting them together now to see how they fit together.

Stop bringing in expensive role players to takes minutes away from the young, developing guys. Give the core guys quality minutes and the young bench real game experience. Then add a few pieces next year, hope one or two guys are they real deal and make a move to add an all-star in 2014 or 2015. That's probably the best way for this team to really become a truly competitive team for the future.
 
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Hell, Core4 and Revo I'd be thrilled(!!!!!) with either Wiggins or Parker. At that point who cares?
 
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