Iman Shumpert?

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Not sure what we could trade him for, but Shump is a bawse.

His three-point shot showed serious improvement, but I don't think we can afford to sign a wing averaging <40% from the field when we are already strapped offensively. He's more of a 'missing-piece of a championship team' as opposed to a player we try to rebuild with. Iman would be a good target in a few years-- not now.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to get him now? We're building a good defensive team, he would fit right in. Players like Shumpert are hard to find, we're better off getting him now then finding a guy like him later.

If we trade Burks, I would not be surprised if he started putting up crazy numbers. You all need to give him a chance, because he hasn't had any these last two years.

I think he saw good minutes in the second half of last season, was a major contributor on the second unit, which is why Carroll's time dwindled. He didn't strike me as a killer on offense in that time, and other then pg skills, I don't see what he brings that Shumpert doesn't. To me, Shumpert fits us like a glove.

shumpert is a career 40% fg shooter, Burks is 42%.

Burks plays in garbage time, Shumpert plays defense on the best offensive player...

this.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Gordon is a finesse player, as is Burke, as is Burks... this is my issue

the toughness of Shumpert would benefit Burke the most, imo

the defensive ramifications would reverberate team wide, im certain of this, shumpert is a galvanizing force.

if we are truely trying to position ourselves for the 2014 draft, we should not trade for shumpert though, i do think hed affect our win % (slightly)

At this point I don't think he helps us win anymore games then Burks does. I think he helps us win more in the future though.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Gordon is a finesse player, as is Burke, as is Burks... this is my issue

the toughness of Shumpert would benefit Burke the most, imo

the defensive ramifications would reverberate team wide, im certain of this, shumpert is a galvanizing force.

if we are truely trying to position ourselves for the 2014 draft, we should not trade for shumpert though, i do think hed affect our win % (slightly)

For Gordon and Burks being more finesses players than SHumpert they sure do trump his FTA's.

 

[Game6Conley]

For Gordon and Burks being more finesses players than SHumpert they sure do trump his FTA's.

if you watch the knicks as i do, its very clear they have massive spatial issues in the paint area, im quite certain they ask the guards to be spacers for the bigs, and not in attack mode vs backups, like what burks does, this is also probably the only reason why the knicks would consider trading him, they need more firepower than what Shump can provide, the jazz do not

 

[gregbroncs]

I don't think I'd call Burks a Finesse player since his offense is heavily reliant on creating contact and getting to the foul line. Also Gordon is not really a soft player as he goes at the contact instead of avoiding it.
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I'd consider trading Burks for Shumpert. I like him and his toughness, I also like that he's already a proven defender. Right now Iman is definitely a better player than Burks, the only problem I have is that I believe that Burks could become a great off the bench combo guard that can carry your 2nd unit. And we also have a great defender (Favors) and a few good defenders (Kanter, Hayward) and what this team really needs is offense. Not sure that Iman fits in that way going forward.

 

[Stifle Tower]

If we trade Burks, I would not be surprised if he started putting up crazy numbers. You all need to give him a chance, because he hasn't had any these last two years.

It would be a classic example of buying high (lottery pick) and selling low. Just give Burks PLAYING TIME! If he averages 14-16 pts as the 6th man - even if he's inefficient - he'll have a lot more trade value.

 

[Game6Conley]

shumpert has been a starter on a playoff team both years in the league.. has made 80 starts while recovering from an ACL injury, and just turned 23

to compare their values as they were on draft night in 2011 is absurd.

burks has baby teeth, shumpert plays with no fear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDHnWkY80Q4

 

[Game6Conley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uirM5sljfO8

this is a power guard... to use FT attempts to extrapolate otherwise, would be turning a blind eye to reality... he defensed some PF's (matchup based)

shump has the scrappy doo attitude, which i think would really add great energy to the squad as is, and especially on the wing as Kanter and Favors should really be able to impose in the front court

also Shumpert would guard westbrook... is that duty going to be put on Trey Burkes shoulders aswell?

shumpert can terrorize Jeremy Lin type PG's (aka alec burks)

 

[Game6Conley]

the thunder used to cause CP3 major issues putting Thabo Sefolosha on him... id like to think the jazz would use shumpert against players like Tony Parker, CP3 and Mike Conley or even players like Manu or Kobe, players you cant hope to stop, but ones you just try to bother.

if thats the plan, id be pretty confident it would work better than whatever options we have now... and im certain we could extract tons of value from him in the next 2 seasons

 

[Jazz4ever]

You cannot be a one dimension player in the NBA, good teams expose you. Iman Shumpert is just that, a defensive specialist while being an abortion on offense. He is older than Burks and has got twice the amount of burn as Burks so there isn't nearly as much potential either. The torn ACL further drops his value.

 

[infection]

Would you change your name to PointGod_ImanShumpert?

 

[BTP]

You cannot be a one dimension player in the NBA, good teams expose you. Iman Shumpert is just that, a defensive specialist while being an abortion on offense. He is older than Burks and has got twice the amount of burn as Burks so there isn't nearly as much potential either. The torn ACL further drops his value.

In my opinion you can be a one dimensional player and have limited success. Shumpert is a 3 and D guy whose speed and athleticism allows him to be efficient on the fastbreak too. That's 3 great qualities for a player. And age has devious nature that the older an individual is the slower he usually learns new things. So Burks getting no burn is also limiting his ceiling probably. I think Burks is an instinctive baller, who plays a very unstructured form of basketball. And his instincts aren't always the best which is probably a big reason why he hasn't seen the floor that much yet. Even for Corbin the veteran case doesn't work when it's Randy Foye who you're playing. Nothing against Foye but the difference between those players outputs isn't as significant as the difference in offensive strength of Big Al and a 19 year old Favors/Kanter.
Still think of course Corbin is a bad basketball mind, as he doesn't seem to value defensive qualities enough. But that's his angle to let veterans play. Difference in production and that's not big enough between Foye and Burks alone to limit Burks in a way he did. One has to dig deeper to find the true reasons and I can only dig as deep as summer league recently, where a player like Burks should be lights out in a mode that tempts you to call 911.

 

[Game6Conley]

You cannot be a one dimension player in the NBA, good teams expose you. Iman Shumpert is just that, a defensive specialist while being an abortion on offense. He is older than Burks and has got twice the amount of burn as Burks so there isn't nearly as much potential either. The torn ACL further drops his value.

Hayward shot 41% 3's (on 3.4 attempts per game)
Shumpert shot 40% (on 2.8 attempts per)
Foye torched jazz 3 point shooting records, he shot... 40% from 3

just on that alone i cant see how anyone could possibly say Shumpert is a one dimensional player, to me hes a 50/50 ball guy, a serviceable 3point shooter, a monster in transition, and an iso defender

lets also forget that this player was being eased back into the rotation because he recovered from the ACL surgery very quick, which sandbagged his #'s

also Shumpert plays with a bunch of ballhogs/over dribblers.. last season

JR smith had 15.7 FGA's per, Amare when healthy was at 9.2 attempts per, Carmelo took 22 shots per game... felton took 13..

 

[Game6Conley]

let trey burke take a bunch of shots, let hayward take a bunch of shots, let kanter take a bunch of shots, and let Shumpert and Favors defend/take shots in the flow of the offense

Shumpert doesnt seem to me like the type of player whos going to ever be a guy you can let shoot wide open 3's... or i dont think hed fit here

trey burke can really shoot from PG, Hayward can really shoot, why its necessary to avoid a player like shumpert because of his lack of offense eludes me. Shump isnt a volume shooter... great

have jazzfanz fallen inlove with Run and Gun offenses? i dont want to see the jazz playing Golden State Warrior basketball, to be quite honest

shumpert isnt the type of guy who will cause problems over shots, he makes his presence known in many other ways

this kid plays with such passion and pride, hes a crowd favorite for sure. its one thing to say you dont want to give up assets for shumpert, i can understand that position

to say he wouldent fit here to me is highly questionable, when they trap and press trey burke, shumpert is the guy who returns the favor... you think 195lb alec burks is ready to check starters on defense?

 

[Game6Conley]

Kanters ability to pass from the post would be really great for a player like shumpert, and would showcase his ability as a slasher, especially if teams are making a point to give Burke and Hayward little room to operate.

this gives the jazz space for the Post game, or if Shumperts man is the help, and Kanter can find him, thats a recipe for a Poster...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=javyZFnq5L8

 

[Zulu]

Alec Burks will be a better player in everyone's eyes three years from now compared to Shumpert!!!!

 

[Jazz4ever]

Hayward shot 41% 3's (on 3.4 attempts per game)
Shumpert shot 40% (on 2.8 attempts per)
Foye torched jazz 3 point shooting records, he shot... 40% from 3

just on that alone i cant see how anyone could possibly say Shumpert is a one dimensional player, to me hes a 50/50 ball guy, a serviceable 3point shooter, a monster in transition, and an iso defender

lets also forget that this player was being eased back into the rotation because he recovered from the ACL surgery very quick, which sandbagged his #'s

also Shumpert plays with a bunch of ballhogs/over dribblers.. last season

JR smith had 15.7 FGA's per, Amare when healthy was at 9.2 attempts per, Carmelo took 22 shots per game... felton took 13..

Eh, he can't finish at the rim at all despite his athleticism (under 40%), nor can he draw fouls (under 2 attempts per 36 minutes ). He can make a wide open three although the sample size is not huge, 169 attempts. The Jazz probably thought they were getting a 3 and D guy with Marvin Williams because he was 39% in 2011 with 149 attempts. Turns out the sample size was not big enough, and he reverted back to his career average with the Jazz (32%).

 

[Game6Conley]

Eh, he can't finish at the rim at all despite his athleticism (under 40%), nor can he draw fouls (under 2 attempts per 36 minutes ). He can make a wide open three although the sample size is not huge, 169 attempts. The Jazz probably thought they were getting a 3 and D guy with Marvin Williams because he was 39% in 2011 with 149 attempts. Turns out the sample size was not big enough, and he reverted back to his career average with the Jazz (32%).

Paul George shot 41%, can he not finish at the rim despite his athleticism aswell?

Rudy Gay shot 41%, what about him?

JR Smith shot 42%, on this play he had Lebron 1v1 on the perimeter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86QvNhZhwwU

do your advanced statistics indicate he cant finish at the rim either?

 

[Game6Conley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1SyvX3DTE4

zulu in 3 years when Burks is better than Shump, will he still be 195lbs?

 

[Jazz4ever]

Paul George shot 41%, can he not finish at the rim despite his athleticism aswell?

Rudy Gay shot 41%, what about him?

JR Smith shot 42%, on this play he had Lebron 1v1 on the perimeter


do your advanced statistics indicate he cant finish at the rim either?

Here is their inside (at rim) FG%. All their shot info is available on 82games.

Shumpert: 39.5%
George: 59.9%
Smith: 65.5%

Shumpert was at a respectable 58% his rookie year, so the injury recovery did appear to effect him. At the same time, there is no guarantee he hasn't permanently lost some athleticism from it either.