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If Red Bull sposored a race to the heavens, who would win

  • Jesus of Nazareth

    Votes: 2 33.3%

  • The Buddha

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • A Saturn V rocket

    Votes: 4 66.7%
  • Total voters
    6
Scat said:
You are ignoring the question. Matter cannot be created from absolute nothingness. Regardless of whether we are part of a science fair or the only beings in the universe, where did the original matter come from to get to where we are? And it doesn't have anything to do with god, lack of god, big bang theories or creationism. There had to be something, somewhere to start the process. Where did this something come from?
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The universe is a crazy place.

https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-12/making-something-nothing-theory-says-matter-can-be-conjured-vacuum
https://ns.umich.edu/new/releases/8167
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2000483/Sparks-mirrors-Quantum-scientists-make-nothing.html
 
Scat said:
You are ignoring the question. Matter cannot be created from absolute nothingness. Regardless of whether we are part of a science fair or the only beings in the universe, where did the original matter come from to get to where we are? And it doesn't have anything to do with god, lack of god, big bang theories or creationism. There had to be something, somewhere to start the process. Where did this something come from?
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Not ignoring the question at all. I am questioning the depth of our understanding of the law of physics. Take the equations that we use to explain quantum mechanics and try applying them to gravity, or vice versa. Doesn't work. Something that basic, connecting the big universe, so to speak, to the little universe and we can't figure it out, and yet we are arrogant enough to proclaim that this is the ONLY way anything can function. Remember when they were so certain we lived in an earth-centric solar system that they were going to put the foremost mind in mathematics and astronomy of the time to death if he didn't recant? Hugely arrogant to assume we know enough to make any such proclamations. So really we don't know that there isn't something that exists completely outside of the universe as we know it, and this "being" if you will put everything into motion exactly as we are observing it. These are the standard questions, what came before, when did it all start, where did the universe come from, and we simply cannot ever really know.
 
heyhey said:
It's as close as your going to get to do an observable experiment. Quantum particles both exist and do not exist simultaneously(they are something that is nothing) .
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This is also from our limited ability to observe it. It may be that they always exist in a way that we cannot observe. If we can't observe it, or its effects, we cannot know it. We can surmise and hypothesize, and try to observe and try to infer and postulate from the observations, but we can't know. To me the defining thought experiment for all of our knowledge is the Heisenberg principle. Of course he was talking specifically about observation, but we have of course expanded it to a universal maxim. Uncertainty. It is the only thing we can be certain of.
 
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The Black Swordsman said:
These are some questions skeptics ask that are brilliantly articulated that no theological believing person can answer.

1) If god's so great, why does everything suck?

That is an obtuse generalization. It is not correct to say that "everything sucks," as everything you encounter has intricate karmic causes in accordance with your virtue and your past transgressions. For many people, everything is wonderful, even when they encounter tribulations.

2) If everything gets bigger as it grows up, how big was god when god was born? Was he really small? You can't explain that?

'God' as we'll call him is a being whose surface particles exist at the atomic level or even below (a more microcosmic level), beyond our normal range of vision. Hence God's mind/body is composed of far greater intelligent energy matter than human beings have, and He has the ability to transform and affect any and everything at that level of existence and below. Were God to directly manifest in this dimension, He could appear as anything He wanted to.

A god too has a process of growth, but He far transcends our range of time/space and would seem to live for an extremely long period of time. A god is also conscious through the life renewal process and doesn't have the angst and fear that human beings have of the dying process.

3) Could god make a pizza-bagel so large, that even god couldn't eat it?

You mean eat it in an anthropomorphic state and in one sitting? Sure. But a god doesn't do the kind of petty and trivial things that human beings do.

4) You disagree with other people's religious views - doesn't that mean your religion is wrong (because of probability)?

No. Different orthodox religions reflect a path of spiritual development for the followers of those religions. In other words, human beings are not all the same in appearance, culture, aptitude or ultimate destination. However, if one person wishes to improve himself or herself spiritually s/he must ultimately choose one path to follow, as mixing multiple paths will cause interference. This is why orthodox religions have explicitly discriminated against one another. It is so that their followers won't mix spiritual paths. Divine beings can take different forms, from the Western gods that we are familiar with to different forms of deities that Eastern religions study and follow. Different celestial paradises exist beneath the One who would be called Lord of Lords.

5) if two people on earth disagree about an issue, like religion, shouldn't parents not talk about it in front of their kids, because it might be brainwashing? ... religion is dumb.

Orthodox religions teach followers to respect their parents, children and neighbors. Discussion or debate about religious topics do not constitute brainwashing.

Checkmate theists.

What you believe is your own choice. Belief is subjective. Moreover, Truth has different levels and manifestations. If you think religion sucks, that is your view. The human world is a world of uncertainty and befuddlement. It was precisely arranged that way, and you fit right in.

Having said that, the religions themselves do not represent God. Religions are the matters of human beings. If human beings themselves degenerate and fail to live up to their responsibility as clergy, abbots, or representatives of religions, that is their failing, not God's.


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Ok back to the serious theological questions. Could God make a mountain so high that he himself could not climb it? Could he make a sushi roll so long that he could not eat it? Could he make chili so potent that it would give him endless diarrhea?
 
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LogGrad98 said:
Ok back to the serious theological questions. Could God make a mountain so high that he himself could not climb it? No Could he make a sushi roll so long that he could not eat it? No Could he make chili so potent that it would give him endless diarrhea?yes
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When god created Chuck Norris did he make him too powerful? Not even god himself can beat up Chuck Norris.
 
I knew a kid in school who swore his dad beat up Chuck Norris.
Never met anyone who claimed his dad beat up god.
 
Bronco70 said:
I've pondered this question with some frequency. Also, our rapidly expanding knowledge of science has thusfar been unable to concretely prove or disprove the existence of God. To me, these things illustrate how little we really know.
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God and truth (true scientific laws) are the same. God isn't magic. He follows the same laws we do.
 
LogGrad98 said:
How do you know that our entire universe isn't just a giant scientific experiment in a giant science fair somewhere? And why can't there be something that is truly infinite? Just because we can't fathom it doesn't mean it can't exist?
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Are we all cells in some larger being? I'm a Dr, so am I just the equivalent of a white blood cell?

*cue end of Men In Black*
 
Scat said:
You are ignoring the question. Matter cannot be created from absolute nothingness. Regardless of whether we are part of a science fair or the only beings in the universe, where did the original matter come from to get to where we are? And it doesn't have anything to do with god, lack of god, big bang theories or creationism. There had to be something, somewhere to start the process. Where did this something come from?
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There is no beginning or end. Matter is eternal. Physics is awesome to study. The more you study physics, the more you realize those aren't the right questions.

Is time even real? Did you know time changes depending on the speed you are traveling? Time is how we describe how things change, but what if time isn't real? What if we just are (with no beginning or end), existing in our plane?

What about the God Particle? What the hell does that mean? A molecule that behaves differently depending on if we are observing it or not?

I find science vs God arguments amusing, because people who really know science know that argument is irrelevant. If God exists, he follows the laws of science (real laws, not what we think the laws are, like for example, gravity). If He doesn't exist, then the laws of science still apply.

Believing in God is a personal choice and has nothing to do with science and visa versa.
 
green said:
I find science vs God arguments amusing, because people who really know science know that argument is irrelevant. If God exists, he follows the laws of science (real laws, not what we think the laws are, like for example, gravity). If He doesn't exist, then the laws of science still apply.

Believing in God is a personal choice and has nothing to do with science and visa versa.
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I agree, except when religious people have a belief in god that is anti-science. i.e. age of universe,dinosaurs,evolution. These people should always be challenged. Using dogma to ignore evidence seems insane to me.
 
heyhey said:
I agree, except when religious people have a belief in god that is anti-science. i.e. age of universe,dinosaurs,evolution. These people should always be challenged. Using dogma to ignore evidence seems insane to me.
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They aren't religious zealots...they are idiots. Don't waste your breath.
 
green said:
They aren't religious zealots...they are idiots. Don't waste your breath.
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Their beliefs have a negative impact on public policies. While it may be in vain, I don't think it's wasting one's breath.

Besides we're not on a submarine there is plenty of breath to go around.
 
heyhey said:
Their beliefs have a negative impact on public policies. While it may be in vain, I don't think it's wasting one's breath.

Besides we're not on a submarine there is plenty of breath to go around.
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I have a wife and a mother in law who have those "beliefs". At first I was all about wasting the breath, but now? I'd rather let my vocal chords have a break. In fact, I almost always get up and find a reason to leave the room. My sanity is much more in tact since I started doing these things.

If God got into a fight with Chuck Norris, who do you think would divide by zero first? This is a serious question.
 
green said:
There is no beginning or end. Matter is eternal. Physics is awesome to study. The more you study physics, the more you realize those aren't the right questions.

Is time even real? Did you know time changes depending on the speed you are traveling? Time is how we describe how things change, but what if time isn't real? What if we just are (with no beginning or end), existing in our plane?

What about the God Particle? What the hell does that mean? A molecule that behaves differently depending on if we are observing it or not?

I find science vs God arguments amusing, because people who really know science know that argument is irrelevant. If God exists, he follows the laws of science (real laws, not what we think the laws are, like for example, gravity). If He doesn't exist, then the laws of science still apply.

Believing in God is a personal choice and has nothing to do with science and visa versa.
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How do you know that matter is eternal? Maybe it is just made up for our universe this one time.
 
green said:
God and truth (true scientific laws) are the same. God isn't magic. He follows the same laws we do.
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Agreed, 100%. God knows how it all works. At this point, our understanding is rudimentary, at best.
 
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