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Jazzfanz BAWSE Fantasy Draft - Round 1: Hack vs LogGrad98

Who would win in a 7 game series?

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Team Hack:

PG- Tony Parker / Russell Westbrook
SG- Reggie Miller / Vince Carter
SF- Kevin Durant / Tracy McGrady
PF- Karl Malone / Amar'e Stoudemire
C- Patrick Ewing / Dwight Howard

Team LogGrad98:

PG- Chris Paul / Chauncey Billups
SG- Jeff Hornacek / Bruce Bowen
SF- Clyde Drexler / James Worthy
PF- Tim Duncan / Shawn Kemp
C- David Robinson / Robert Parish



Hack's write up:

My bad *** team.


Patrick Ewing / Dwight Howard
Karl Malone / Amar'e Stoudemire
Kevin Durant / Tracy McGrady
Reggie Miller / Vince Carter
Tony Parker / Russell Westbrook



Top ten reasons my team woops loggy's


10. My bench is way better
9. Reggie Miller is a better player than Horny
8. Tony Parker owns Chris Paul
7. Loggy is a liar. Dont believe what he says about my team.
6. I have prototypical players at all positions. No forcing a fit.
5. I have crazy good shooters to spread the floor
4. My team is more athletic and smarter
3. Gregg Popovich is my coach
2. Karl Malone's Elbows

1. Tim Duncan is NOT a power forward. He is a center who called
himself a PF so he wouldn't have to compare his career to other
centers. Thats chicken bleep. Therefore Timmy should be disqualified.



LogGrad's write up:

My team wins this matchup 4-2. Here's why:

With an interchangeable front line consisting of Robinson, Duncan, Parish, Kemp and Worthy as a stretch 4 (maybe even Drexler), there is just too much diversity and experience for them to overcome. We can go small ball and play Worthy at the 5 (which he has done), Kemp at the 4, and Drexler at 3, Hornacek at 2 and Paul at the 1 and literally run you to death. I can play big ball with Robinson, Duncan, Worthy, Drexler and Billups and pound you in the half-court. Every one of my team are excellent defenders with all 6 of my front court players widely recognized as solid if not premium defenders at their positions, and every one of them except Hornacek viewed as solid defenders. And we know Hornacek wasn't half bad. I can run Paul and Billups together, Chauncey as a combo 2, and you will never be able to leave one of them alone. I can throw a 3 point barrage COMBINED with solid defense at you by running Duncan at the 5, Worthy at the 4, then Drexler, Bowen and Paul. Or go small and run Drexler as a stretch 4, with Bowen, Hornacek and Paul. Good luck doubling down on Duncan or Robinson with Hornacek and Bowen in the wings waiting to launch an uncontested 3. And Kemp and Worthy off the bench will be a beast to contend with at best.

I even win the individual match-ups.

Robinson/Ewing - Robinson
Duncan/Malone - Push
Drexler/Durant - Push
Hornacek/Miller - Miller
Paul/Parker - Paul

Parish/Howard - Parish
Kemp/Stoudemire - Kemp
Worthy/McGrady - Push
Bowen/Carter - Push
Billups/Westbrook - Billups

With Malone and Ewing this team will give us a run for our money, but we are just too overwhelming in combination for them to last long. They will win 2 games, but we take the series in 6.
 
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Oh wow. This is a very hard one for me. So many things to think about.
 
I'll think about it some more before voting, but I hate that Hack's team only has ONE player to ever win a ring. Rings don't mean everything, but they do mean something. Log's team definitely has more guys that have a winning reputation.
 
No one on hack's team scored over 70 pts in a game before.
No one on hack's team averaged over 11 assists per game before.
No one on hack's team led the league in both assists and steals in the same season before.
Hack doesn't have more than 2 players that averaged 11 rebounds per game for their careers.
Hack doesn't have anyone that was named to the all-defensive team 13 times in their career.
I have 36 selections to the NBA all-defensive teams.
I have far more championship experience.

I can't see how hack could compete. His team has lots of players well known for choking when it counts. Sad they don't know how to close it out and win the big one.
 
BTP said:
Hack's bench is awful? Dang you should consult a doctor about Alzheimer's
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I'm assuming all players are in their prime. Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady were awesome at one point.
 
BTP said:
Hack's bench is awful? Dang you should consult a doctor about Alzheimer's
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Westbrook - Chucker
Carter - Chucker
Tmac - Chucker
Amare - Soft Chucker who can't rebound
Dwight - Drama Queen. Will probably cry about backing up Ewing.
 
Okay, I'm not even commenting on that. But when healthy TMac and Yao were the most dominant duo in the league basically. Amare had MVP style seasons before his knee cracked and got deep in the playoffs every year with Steve. Only thing hurting was Mike No-D'Antoni. Carter was really good in his prime and Westbrook is getting there too. Super athletic 2nd five, that would outrun Log's in transition and overpower with athleticism
 
BTP said:
Okay, I'm not even commenting on that. But when healthy TMac and Yao were the most dominant duo in the league basically. Amare had MVP style seasons before his knee cracked and got deep in the playoffs every year with Steve. Only thing hurting was Mike No-D'Antoni. Carter was really good in his prime and Westbrook is getting there too. Super athletic 2nd five, that would outrun Log's in transition and overpower with athleticism
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Tell that to Utah...

God that still makes me smile. Loved watching the Jazz crush their hopes year after year.
 
Yeah because they broke down. But when healthy and at their best, T-Mac was so strong. Kobe just said in an interview, that T-Mac was the strongest player he battled ever individually.
Carter's game revolved around his athleticism. Of course he's a bench player now at age 36. But if you see how efficient he still is and professional, I don't think Vince is a player you should attack as a chucker.
I'ma post you guys Amar'e's stats from his best season:
PER 27.6 TS% .656 eFG% .592 ORB% 8.2 DRB% 21.1 TRB% 15.2 AST% 7.5 STL% 1.2 BLK% 4.0 TOV% 10.3 USG% 28.2 ORtg 124 DRtg 104 OWS 10.9 DWS 3.8 WS 14.6 WS/48 .262
I don't know that's brutal. And that was AFTER he went down the first time. He literally had nearly the same statline in his 3rd season at age 22 with a 26.6 PER. So just imagine what would have happened if he stayed healthy. I think at this point it's safe to say Amar'e is the player with the most surgeries in the league. And he still had a 22.2 PER in his limited playing time in New York last season.
I feel like Westbrook really had a breakout season last year until he went down. In regular season he posted career highs or finished close to in every category. .195 WS/48 aren't too shabby either. But his improved defense really stood out. I know that Durant and Westbrook are phenomenal players, but if you consider how they are the only scorer on the Thunder it's impressive to me that they maintain such high efficiency. It's not like they're unpredictable. They have to shoulder an unresponsibly high amount of offense and still do it good.
Dwight in his best seasons is a DPOY.
Look at his statline in 10/11:
PER 26.1 TS% .616 eFG% .593 ORB% 12.6 DRB% 30.6 REB% 21.8 AST% 6.8 STL% 1.9 BLK% 4.9 TOV% 16.2 USG% 27.2 ORtg 113 DRtg 94 OWS 6.7 DWS 7.7 WS 14.4 WS/48 .235
 
Stoked said:
I'm assuming all players are in their prime. Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady were awesome at one point.
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In their primes my I have 7 20 pt per game scorers, all 5 of my starting lineup, including 3 in my starting lineup that averaged 20/11 double doubles for entire seasons, and 2 of them 20/11 double doubles for their CAREERS.

Robinsons best season was 29 ppg/10.7 rebs/4.8 assists/3.3 blocks/1.7 steals people forget how truly dominating he was in his prime. Maybe 3 centers better in their careers.

Drexler's best season was 27.2 ppg/7.9 rebs/5.8 assists/2.7 steals. 27 8 and 6 are all-world numbers my friends.

Paul's best season was 22.8 ppg/5.5 rebs/11.0 assists/2.8 steals. Leading the league in both steals and assists while still scoring over 20 per game? Sick.

Hornacek's best season was arguably 19.1 ppg/4.3 rebs/6.9 assists/1.7 steals. Might be the season before that with 20 ppg/5 rebs/5 assists and 52% from the field and 44% from 3. Boom. Perfect complementary player.

Tim Duncan might have the most underwhelming stats of the group, other than 2 regular season MVPs and 3 finals MVPS. His best season stats were 23.5 ppg/12.3 rebs/4.3 assists/3.7 blocks.

Holy crap. Hack's team gonna get swatted 7 time just from the starters.

Not sure how anyone can think hack's starting line is definitively better. The numbers and accolades (hello, 7 rings just with my starters) PROVE otherwise. I can't see it.
 
BTP said:
Yeah because they broke down. But when healthy and at their best, T-Mac was so strong. Kobe just said in an interview, that T-Mac was the strongest player he battled ever individually.
Carter's game revolved around his athleticism. Of course he's a bench player now at age 36. But if you see how efficient he still is and professional, I don't think Vince is a player you should attack as a chucker.
I'ma post you guys Amar'e's stats from his best season:
PER 27.6 TS% .656 eFG% .592 ORB% 8.2 DRB% 21.1 TRB% 15.2 AST% 7.5 STL% 1.2 BLK% 4.0 TOV% 10.3 USG% 28.2 ORtg 124 DRtg 104 OWS 10.9 DWS 3.8 WS 14.6 WS/48 .262
I don't know that's brutal. And that was AFTER he went down the first time. He literally had nearly the same statline in his 3rd season at age 22 with a 26.6 PER. So just imagine what would have happened if he stayed healthy. I think at this point it's safe to say Amar'e is the player with the most surgeries in the league. And he still had a 22.2 PER in his limited playing time in New York last season.
I feel like Westbrook really had a breakout season last year until he went down. In regular season he posted career highs or finished close to in every category. .195 WS/48 aren't too shabby either. But his improved defense really stood out. I know that Durant and Westbrook are phenomenal players, but if you consider how they are the only scorer on the Thunder it's impressive to me that they maintain such high efficiency. It's not like they're unpredictable. They have to shoulder an unresponsibly high amount of offense and still do it good.
Dwight in his best seasons is a DPOY.
Look at his statline in 10/11:
PER 26.1 TS% .616 eFG% .593 ORB% 12.6 DRB% 30.6 REB% 21.8 AST% 6.8 STL% 1.9 BLK% 4.9 TOV% 16.2 USG% 27.2 ORtg 113 DRtg 94 OWS 6.7 DWS 7.7 WS 14.4 WS/48 .235
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Good points. Keep in mind they did it being the central focus of their teams. Most of my guys had numbers just as good their best years, but many of them did it within a team framework that won championships. McGrady, Carter and Stoudemire all disrupted the teams they had their best seasons with. Hell McGrady couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs mainly due to his chucker attitude. He tried to take the game over. They just won't play together and don't understand what it takes to win it all.

On my team in one game Duncan will play the enforcer while Drexler and Worthy go to town from the wings. Or Robinson will dominate the glass and paint while Paul and Billups orchestrate a very potent offense. None of them HAVE to be the hero every night, but most of them absolutely CAN be the hero when it's needed. That my friend is not just dangerous, it is deadly.
 
LogGrad98 said:
In their primes my I have 7 20 pt per game scorers, all 5 of my starting lineup, including 3 in my starting lineup that averaged 20/11 double doubles for entire seasons, and 2 of them 20/11 double doubles for their CAREERS.

Robinsons best season was 29 ppg/10.7 rebs/4.8 assists/3.3 blocks/1.7 steals people forget how truly dominating he was in his prime. Maybe 3 centers better in their careers.

Drexler's best season was 27.2 ppg/7.9 rebs/5.8 assists/2.7 steals. 27 8 and 6 are all-world numbers my friends.

Paul's best season was 22.8 ppg/5.5 rebs/11.0 assists/2.8 steals. Leading the league in both steals and assists while still scoring over 20 per game? Sick.

Hornacek's best season was arguably 19.1 ppg/4.3 rebs/6.9 assists/1.7 steals. Might be the season before that with 20 ppg/5 rebs/5 assists and 52% from the field and 44% from 3. Boom. Perfect complementary player.

Tim Duncan might have the most underwhelming stats of the group, other than 2 regular season MVPs and 3 finals MVPS. His best season stats were 23.5 ppg/12.3 rebs/4.3 assists/3.7 blocks.

Holy crap. Hack's team gonna get swatted 7 time just from the starters.

Not sure how anyone can think hack's starting line is definitively better. The numbers and accolades (hello, 7 rings just with my starters) PROVE otherwise. I can't see it.
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You do realize that I had already voted for you right? I just think the notion that Hacks bench sucks is foolish.
 
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