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LDS general conference - Fall 2013

Zulu said:
Exactly.... They don't have the priesthood to do those things as of now, but for those who claim they can't get the priesthood and that it is gender specific that is not true...

I won't be surprised if the church allows all worthy women to some day have the priesthood like the worthy males!!!
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Do you not see how self contradictory your statements are?
 
Bronco70 said:
You're just looking for **** to argue about. I don't really care whether you agree with me or not. I'm sure there is bias in my perspective, just like there is in yours. You have an obvious ax to grind. That's fine, I have no problem with people being disgruntled. To me that's much better than blindly following. But please don't mistakenly assume I am some mormon zombie.

But anywho... You and I have different definitions of "privilege" apparently. I would hardly consider a high leadership position a privilege. That's the kind of stuff I avoid like the plague.

Again, if you disagree, fine. I'm completely okay with that. I'm not trying to change your mind or bring you back into the fold. I thought there might be someone who found my point of view interesting. Maybe nobody does. But either way, I'll respect your right to an opinion, and you can respect mine. How's that sound?
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Sounds good. I don't think I'm coming from the place you think I'm coming from, but you're right that some of your opinions on this subject don't make much sense to me. It's one thing to not want to hold a position of leadership in your church, and a totally different thing not to be allowed to. Are you saying you wish you were a woman?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Sounds good. I don't think I'm coming from the place you think I'm coming from, but you're right that some of your opinions on this subject don't make much sense to me. It's one thing to not want to hold a position of leadership in your church, and a totally different thing not to be allowed to. Are you saying you wish you were a woman?
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yeah bronco cuz I know this guy in Mexico that can help you out with that.
 
heyhey said:
I say it like you aren't good enough to play in the wnba. Turn your damn brain on and then get back to me.
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I counter your argument with why isn't there one woman in the NBA. Surely if your premise is true, then there is a woman that could have replaced Milt Palacio on a roster, no?
Look, I get where you are coming from. But to say that the only REAL difference between men and women is the roles that society has thrust upon them is pure horse squeeze. It is possible to believe that women are quite different from men and also agree that they are not inferior in any way. You don't need to justify this by just making stuff up. This is why political correctness sucks, because, in the end, it stops people from growing into the truth by denying the argument.
 
I totally get the not wanting a leadership position thing. I am always asked to be Ward Mission Leader or something similar due to management background, and sometimes I just want to get into a ward and be Brother Joe Schmo and not have a calling, and not have to manage when I don't have to be managing for work.

This brings up another question, why the compulsion to create callings just so everyone has one? We had an assistant 2nd Sunday Deacons Quorum teacher. 2 of them actually. Is that for real? They had a lot of younger families, so a glut of younger elders (20's and 30's) and so they had a 1st Sunday teacher, 2nd Sunday teacher, and so on, for a deacon's quorum of about 8 boys, same in teachers and priests, while the primary had close to the population of Rhode Island with well over 25 sunbeams and had a few tandem teachers and that was about it. Sometimes I felt like it was silly to put me in as assistant to the assistant facilities guy while we had 3 guys called as the facilities guy in the ward (true story), and did not feel one bit closer to anyone in the ward for it, not any more included than if I just went to my meetings and participated and was a nice guy.

Why won't they sometimes just let us be members and allow us the opportunity to actually volunteer for things (like scout camp helper, or unofficial "mover" or cook at ward picnics, etc. all of which I have volunteered for at one point or another and more) rather than being pushed into a meaningless "service" position just so they can say everyone has a calling?
 
LogGrad98 said:
...a glut of younger elders ...
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gotta love the oxymoron here!


your post made me think of those "awards" in grammar school, especially the lower elementary grades, when everyone in the class is the "Best" something....


Some questions: Are "points" tallied so to speak for holding leadership types of positions? Is it like some sort of community service requirement? Would that be part of the reasoning behind creating rather meaningless "leadership" titles? Or is it just up to each region (or ward or stake or whatever they're called) to set up what they think will work best for their demographic? As Log said, is it more of an illusion to make people feel involved and important?
 
moevillini said:
gotta love the oxymoron here!


your post made me think of those "awards" in grammar school, especially the lower elementary grades, when everyone in the class is the "Best" something....


Some questions: Are "points" tallied so to speak for holding leadership types of positions? Is it like some sort of community service requirement? Would that be part of the reasoning behind creating rather meaningless "leadership" titles? Or is it just up to each region (or ward or stake or whatever they're called) to set up what they think will work best for their demographic? As Log said, is it more of an illusion to make people feel involved and important?
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There are certain callings that are universal. Others depend on the specific needs of the ward.

Sometimes the reason a person is given a "calliing" is more to help themselves than it is to help the ward. For example: say you are the bishop of an older ward that was many less physically able members. I could see giving that old cat lady member of the ward that is lonely and has to much time on her hands a calling where she is responsible for finding ways to church for those that do not have one and want to go. Call it the Attendance Coordinator or something. She can reach out to ailing and/or older mmebers and arrange assistance and transportation for them if needed.

Helps the ward but it is also about her. She has a task and something to help occupy her time. She feels like she is contibuting and not just a burden.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
...you're right that some of your opinions on this subject don't make much sense to me.
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That's to be expected, right? If we're looking at it from two completely different angles, there will be differences in what we see. Like I said, I do respect your opinion, and I'm sure you arrived at it through a process of careful thinking. But I would hope that you understand that I have too, and not just assume that, because I don't see it the way you do, I must be stupid or a mindless follower.

Are you saying you wish you were a woman?
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That's a loaded question. In the context of the conversation, it wouldn't matter. I'm not worried about heavy leadership callings. I'm not the "type" that usually winds up there.
 
I was gone for a few days, had to help a few people move. Did I miss anything? Should I read what I missed? TIA
 
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