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d@!!0n0rcutt

d@!!0n0rcutt

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This seems like a lost art or a skill that is glaring weakness on this team, and that goes for Paul Millsap and Al Jefferson...really the whole team none of the Utah Jazz players find their man or a man and box him out. Which leads to all these second chance points and offensive rebounds for the opposing team. In all the games this year if they did the simple thing of boxing out we would be crushing these teams. It's so frustrating to me and I am sure to the coaches to see all these opposing players get 12-18 rebounds ie. Shelden Williams, Grant Hill, Hakim Warrick, Blake "the rookie" Griffin, and Andris Biendris.

Granted some shots just bounce the other teams way, but I guarantee you to watch the next game and it will frustrate you as well count how many times our guys don't box out and we have the upper hand on getting the ball and if we would of boxed out we would of gotten the bal easily but then all of a sudden there is another player from the other team, even their freakin' point guard that might be the shortest player on the court, get the rebound ie. Eric Bledsoe last night gets the rebound and the dude is barely 6 feet tall, c'mon man! If we would just box out it would give us a better chance at winning more of these games. It is really just that simple, I know our shot won't be falling some nights, but give ourselves a chance and try on getting in better position so we don't give up so many second chance points.
 
d@!!0n0rcutt said:
This seems like a lost art or a skill that is glaring weakness on this team, and that goes for Paul Millsap and Al Jefferson...really the whole team none of the Utah Jazz players find their man or a man and box him out. Which leads to all these second chance points and offensive rebounds for the opposing team. In all the games this year if they did the simple thing of boxing out we would be crushing these teams. It's so frustrating to me and I am sure to the coaches to see all these opposing players get 12-18 rebounds ie. Shelden Williams, Grant Hill, Hakim Warrick, Blake "the rookie" Griffin, and Andris Biendris.

Granted some shots just bounce the other teams way, but I guarantee you to watch the next game and it will frustrate you as well count how many times our guys don't box out and we have the upper hand on getting the ball and if we would of boxed out we would of gotten the bal easily but then all of a sudden there is another player from the other team, even their freakin' point guard that might be the shortest player on the court, get the rebound ie. Eric Bledsoe last night gets the rebound and the dude is barely 6 feet tall, c'mon man! If we would just box out it would give us a better chance at winning more of these games. It is really just that simple, I know our shot won't be falling some nights, but give ourselves a chance and try on getting in better position so we don't give up so many second chance points.
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....amen, brother, amen! I've been preaching the art of boxing out ever since the 1980's when it started to become a serious problem in the NBA! With both player and media influence accentuating "athleticism", thus no need for fundamentals, boxing out is now the exception rather than the rule! However, take a close look at my avatar. There you will notice the perfect, textbook technique on how to keep a bigger, faster, more "athletic" player OFF the boards just about every time!
 
I said it many times that do not let Boozer's rebounding stats mislead you. His knack for ball and instinctive rebounding skills, body strength and its effect on his efficiency in his rebounding stats cannot be ignored but he rarely boxes out and generally tries to outjump his opponent. The same thing goes for Millsap. The rotten apple injures its neighbours :) I know, he was 3 three time leader in rebounds in college but that was College. He now is the real starter PF of Jazz and being undersized and being supposed to defend bigger, stronger players who are a big part of opponent systems is not an easy task and might not help him get the same rebounding rates as in past. He has to BOX OUT. He and AJ feels like they have to get every rebound. I hope that this desire is not driven by posting double doubles or stuffing the stat sheet, like Carlosina.

Put a body between ball and the opponent even in positions where getting the rebound by himself will not be an option by sacrifising the body. You can help your teammates grab it. What's the difference? I do not get it. Freakin' David Lee and Biedrins, before it Toronto, then Clippers? WTF?

Our guards, especially CJ, should commit themselves to help bigs on rebounding. Kyle Korver is known as a poor defender but one thing he did "great" during his tenure in Utah is rebounding. Mike Miller is a perfect example for CJ. Wesley also improved in rebounding, stealing, ball-pressuring areas of game. We already suffer from offensive struggles and shortage in offensive end, please at least contribute to the team in intangibles, bench guys. Francisco Elson should do something more than just stupidly fouling guys after rebound positions.
 
AMEN!!! It's all about trusting that your teammate will get the rebound. Guys today think it's on them to score by themselves 1-on-1, as well as rebound. Sheeesh; scoring, defense and rebounding are all TEAM things in basketball...
 
d@!!0n0rcutt said:
This seems like a lost art or a skill that is glaring weakness on this team, and that goes for Paul Millsap and Al Jefferson...really the whole team none of the Utah Jazz players find their man or a man and box him out. Which leads to all these second chance points and offensive rebounds for the opposing team. In all the games this year if they did the simple thing of boxing out we would be crushing these teams. It's so frustrating to me and I am sure to the coaches to see all these opposing players get 12-18 rebounds ie. Shelden Williams, Grant Hill, Hakim Warrick, Blake "the rookie" Griffin, and Andris Biendris.

Granted some shots just bounce the other teams way, but I guarantee you to watch the next game and it will frustrate you as well count how many times our guys don't box out and we have the upper hand on getting the ball and if we would of boxed out we would of gotten the bal easily but then all of a sudden there is another player from the other team, even their freakin' point guard that might be the shortest player on the court, get the rebound ie. Eric Bledsoe last night gets the rebound and the dude is barely 6 feet tall, c'mon man! If we would just box out it would give us a better chance at winning more of these games. It is really just that simple, I know our shot won't be falling some nights, but give ourselves a chance and try on getting in better position so we don't give up so many second chance points.
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While I agree with your point. You realize that Bedsoe on the play your complaining about was open because his man Deron was doubling Blake Griffin. He was therefore out of position to box him out. And the reason is because the other player did actually box their man out he was the only player on the floor free to just go get the rebound. However this team seems to have lapses where they just don't bother to box out when they should.
 
I completely agree that there is a problem with boxing out. But as I watch these games were we are getting beat on the boards is the help defenders man is the one getting the rebounds. Look at all the times the other teams guard or wing is getting into the lane forcing AJ or Sap to come over to help and try to block the shot or get in the way. Then it is there guy that gets the O board. Our wings and PG doing a better job of not allowing penitration would cut down the other teams O boards by half. The David Lee tip that lost us the game in GS was one of these.
 
Boxing out is not really an option because teams drive the lane like crazy on the Jazz. When Milsap steps over to challenge Eric Gordon from dunking the ball, he obviously cannot be in two places at once.
On these type of plays guards are just as responsible for rebounding the ball. Trust me a three time NCAA leader in rebounds knows how to do his job best.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Boxing out is not really an option because teams drive the lane like crazy on the Jazz. When Milsap steps over to challenge Eric Gordon from dunking the ball, he obviously cannot be in two places at once.
On these type of plays guards are just as responsible for rebounding the ball. Trust me a three time NCAA leader in rebounds knows how to do his job best.
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Hence, Williams referencing the missed assignments by the guards in the post game conference.
 
Ben10 said:
Our wings and PG doing a better job of not allowing penitration would cut down the other teams O boards by half.
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...thus my comment that Williams is having a dickens of a time staying in front of his man! However, the problem really lies in the fact that refs refuse to call palming on those cross over dribbles...when it's obvious to even the most casual observer that the the player has actually picked up his dribble! How can you possibly stay in front of your man when, for all practical purposes, he's picked up his dribble....but then "explodes" to the basket with ball in hand???
 
I agree with all of that but team defense is key, but also if Deron can't stay in front of his man Deron at least needs to roll to the other man, and if the guard misses the shot Deron should be boxing out that other man as Millsap or Jefferson box out Deron's guy that put up the shot, and I know we all know how to play help team defense, but my real point is, no one at all is boxing out and we are relying to much on our athletic ability and timing to out jump the opposing player to get the rebound and that's too much of a risk and we will get beat on rebounds more often then not.
 
The big man defense has been lacking all together, for the defensive skill sets this team possesses.

Al Jefferson already took responsibility for letting Eric Gordon drive down the lane so many times, in his post-game interview.

But I'm guessing if Carlos Boozer would've been on the floor, Eric Gordon would've had an extra 10 layups.
 
I always wondered why the Jazz could never coax Karl Malone into being a big man coach, his defensive knowledge could be a huge help to these young bigs.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
I always wondered why the Jazz could never coax Karl Malone into being a big man coach, his defensive knowledge could be a huge help to these young bigs.
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he probably doesn't have the patience (or inability to hit on their wives) for that.
 
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TheSilencer1313 said:
I always wondered why the Jazz could never coax Karl Malone into being a big man coach, his defensive knowledge could be a huge help to these young bigs.
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...he's already gone on record as saying he doesn't have the time or patience to deal with the modern day NBA knuckleheads currently employed and overpaid by todays owners. He said he would hang it up when Stockton retired....and although he did play one more year to try and win a title with the Lakers, he wasn't fond of THAT experience and would rather have peace in his life than misery!
 
carolinajazz said:
...he's already gone on record as saying he doesn't have the time or patience to deal with the modern day NBA knuckleheads currently employed and overpaid by todays owners. He said he would hang it up when Stockton retired....and although he did play one more year to try and win a title with the Lakers, he wasn't fond of THAT experience and would rather have peace in his life than misery!
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Actually one of the main reasons he only played one year with the Lakers is that he hit on Kobe's wife. His pickup line was "I'm hunting for little Mexican girls." Vanessa told Kobe and Kobe had a very vocal and public row with Karl.

https://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1944994
 
GlassEater said:
Actually one of the main reasons he only played one year with the Lakers is that he hit on Kobe's wife. His pickup line was "I'm hunting for little Mexican girls." Vanessa told Kobe and Kobe had a very vocal and public row with Karl.
https://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1944994
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How does a little flirting change Karl's ability to mentor AJ and Paul in the post. I am tired of the typical "oh Karl is a statutory rapist". Kids are kids, southern men are usually gentleman and like to flirt. do you hear him brag about all of the silent money he donated to utah's local economy or hospitals Quit making a dog eat his own barf and let it go. Karl is the epitome of a hard working jazzman. His family has forgiven him, and does not owe you or anyone else anything. I love the guy for what he's done for this state andhis home state with katrina.


the Hat e and angst on this board make me want hammer my nuts flat.
 
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