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Chances of last place building a Dynasty?

If we get a build-around piece in this draft, then our additions next off-season won't just be "one or two new players" from the draft. This roster was made to scrap and rebuild this off-season. The reason our team is so bad is because the players around the "core 4". And all those guys will be gone next season. We won't just be adding players from the draft, but free agents. The draft is the most important step for us, true, but with the CBA and our cap flexibility it's hardly the only part.

People don't understand--this team was built to sink; we have four, maybe five NBA players on this team who are active right now. I guarantee Lindsey, when pitching his season plan to Miller, walked in with a picture of the Titanic and John Lucas photo-shopped as the captain, while Beidrins and Jefferson play violin.

Admittedly, I don't think the FO was expecting our PG situation to be this atrocious. We're not going to win any games until Burke comes back or one of the 4 has a huge game, whichever happens first. If you could do it again, maybe you give a multi year contract to Ridnour just so our guys aren't getting crushed so brutally.

Basically: Relax. We wanted this. It's widely agreed upon that the middle of the NBA is the worst place to be--if the name of the game boils down simply to just acquiring assets, you'll acquire more of them by blowing up your team, taking on putrid players for picks, and then having high draft picks because of the putrid players. If you can't compete, lose.

We are losing.
 
franklin said:
Nowadays-everybody-wanna-talk-like-they-got-something-to-say-but-nothing-comes-out-when-they-move-their-lips-just-a-bunch-of-gibberish-and-mother****ers-act-like-they-forgot-about-Trey
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Best post by far this month!!!!!
 
Remember when the suns made the largest leap in games won by Drafting Amare and adding Nash!!!!

29 wins in 03 then 62 wins in 04!!
 
akirac73 said:
In 4 years OKC drafted 3 superstar players and one that will probably be an all-star. It's like they never make bad draft choices. Unbelievable.
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There is a word for that: luck.
 
fallenchicken said:
If we get a build-around piece in this draft, then our additions next off-season won't just be "one or two new players" from the draft. This roster was made to scrap and rebuild this off-season. The reason our team is so bad is because the players around the "core 4". And all those guys will be gone next season. We won't just be adding players from the draft, but free agents. The draft is the most important step for us, true, but with the CBA and our cap flexibility it's hardly the only part.

People don't understand--this team was built to sink; we have four, maybe five NBA players on this team who are active right now. I guarantee Lindsey, when pitching his season plan to Miller, walked in with a picture of the Titanic and John Lucas photo-shopped as the captain, while Beidrins and Jefferson play violin.

Admittedly, I don't think the FO was expecting our PG situation to be this atrocious. We're not going to win any games until Burke comes back or one of the 4 has a huge game, whichever happens first. If you could do it again, maybe you give a multi year contract to Ridnour just so our guys aren't getting crushed so brutally.

Basically: Relax. We wanted this. It's widely agreed upon that the middle of the NBA is the worst place to be--if the name of the game boils down simply to just acquiring assets, you'll acquire more of them by blowing up your team, taking on putrid players for picks, and then having high draft picks because of the putrid players. If you can't compete, lose.

We are losing.
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We might not win games when Trey does come back. He is a rookie with stunted development due to injury and already somewhat shaky confidence. Don't expect him to average 20 pt 15 assts 3 steals on 60% shooting and 55% from 3 right out of the block.
 
Nicksti said:
Seattle Supersonics drafted Kevin Durant with the #2 pick.
The Sonics finished with a 20-62 record.
The OKC Thunder then drafted Westbrook #4 and Ibaka #24.
The Thunder finished with a 23-59 record.
The OKC Thunder then drafted Harden with the #3 pick.
The Thunder finished with a 50-32 record and made the playoffs at #8.
The OKC Thunder then drafted Eric Bledsoe with the #18 pick.
The Thunder finished with a 55-27 record and made the playoffs at #4.

Now:

Derrick Favors got extended for 4 years.
We are looking to do the same for Hayward.

Should we expect to see a more aggressive rise than that of the Thunder?
Will our team be a contender before the tail end of the extensions?
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Throw in Jeff Green too. OKC had better choices when they drafted. Who is to say they would have taken Durrant if they had the first pick? No one thought Harden would be as good as he has become. Besides they blew it when they brought in Perkins which resulted in Harden leaving (signing Ibaka also contributed to it). I didn't know they drafted Bledsoe what did they get for him when he was traded to LA? Ibaka was a good pick (maybe Gobert is our Ibaka).

Jazz picked Hayward 9th, NJ picked Favors third and Kanter was picked third. Each of the drafts the Jazz have had high picks the drafts were thought to be weak or average as best. OKC got lucky because Portland picked Oden. Durrant fell in their lap. Westbrook turned a lot of heads during the combine but he wasn't thought as a superstar coming out of college. He is better than most people predicted. So yes OKC hit homer runs but they were lucky too.

Of course now the Jazz have an opportunity in the deepest draft in a decade to get a projected superstar. They need to hit home runs on both picks in order to return to glory. However, they also need to have Favors play better than he has and they need to keep Hayward and Kanter. Besides they are going to need even more luck than OKC since they won't be hand wrapped a superstar like Durrant.
 
Who knows if the young guys will be anything more than good players but people who expect it after 6 games need to have their heads examined. A lot has to go right in order for the Jazz to be contenders. At least in the next few years we will be hoping they will be but with last years roster there was no chance. Remember Stockton and Malone didn't get to the finals until over a decade of trying.
 
Nicksti said:
I am trying to look ahead. Honestly, I cannot remember seeing a situation where one draft pick turned the same team from zeros to heroes.
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the nuggets went from 17 wins (2002) to 43 wins (2003) after drafting carmelo. (+26 wins)
the rockets went from 28 wins (2001) to 43 wins (2002) after drafting yao. (+15 wins)
the heat went from 25 wins (2002) to 42 wins (2003) after drafting wade. (+17 wins)
the spurs went from 20 wins (1996) to 56 wins (1997) after drafting duncan. (+36 wins)
the jazz went from 26 wins (2004) to 41 wins (2005) after drafting deron. (+15 wins)
the nets went from 26 wins (1996) to 43 wins (1997) after drafting van horn. (+17 wins)


the list goes on and on
 
The Celtics went from last place to a championship in 2007/08. They brought in veteran All Stars. It'll take the Jazz 2 or 3 years to mature, but they might well have the pieces.
 
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