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Wiggins vs Parker

I think Parker might be a very dangerous NBA prospect. He's a 6'8" wing/PF. A tweener. Lacks the explosiveness that wings must have yet lacks the size for a PF. Is he D-Will 2.0? Is he Thomas (who went to Kansas and who cannot seem to get any PT in the association)? Or Beasley? Is he that Ohio St tweener drafted by the celtics whose name is escaping me? Is he Jeff Green? None have set the world on fire. Or (best case) is he Melo? Who... Again, hasn't set the world on fire.

I think I'm more on the Wiggins train even if Parker has a better college career. You must consider what it takes to be successful at the NBA level. Everyone here fell in love T Burke and the Jimmer from what they did at the college level. Unfortunately, we are finding out once more that college and the NBA is completely different. Even without Burke's injury, I failed to see him look even like a shadow of his former self. In the NBA, guys are bigger and much more athletic.

We must focus on who will be the better NBA player, not college.

From what I've read, Wiggins is very athletic and won't have any problem playing the 3 at the NBA.

Take Wiggins, unless he truly is a bone head.
 
davidbenoit said:
No talk of Julius Randle? He looked dominant yesterday (23 points 15 rebounds) and could very well be the first player selected come draft time.
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No one wants Randle bc Kanter-Favors. It has nothing to do with talent.

Best thing for Jazz would be to trade down out of Randle unless he looks like a future HOFer. Trading Kanter or Favors for a wing would be harder.

I'd trade down from Wiggins as well if I could get two for one.
 
JazzSpazz said:
Not in my opinion, drafting on perceived upside is risky like the stock market. Of course you take the one that will give you the best return... but you better be dang sure Wiggins truly does have more "potential" than Parker if through a season of college ball he doesn't actually perform better. I would take the data from the year over a higher vertical. Plenty of players were drafted because they had more potential but never reached it. Smoke and mirrors man... draft the dude that can play... not that you think will be able to play.
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Marvin Williams anyone?
 
The Thriller said:
I think Parker might be a very dangerous NBA prospect. He's a 6'8" wing/PF. A tweener. Lacks the explosiveness that wings must have yet lacks the size for a PF. Is he D-Will 2.0? Is he Thomas (who went to Kansas and who cannot seem to get any PT in the association)? Or Beasley? Is he that Ohio St tweener drafted by the celtics whose name is escaping me? Is he Jeff Green? None have set the world on fire. Or (best case) is he Melo? Who... Again, hasn't set the world on fire.

I think I'm more on the Wiggins train even if Parker has a better college career. You must consider what it takes to be successful at the NBA level. Everyone here fell in love T Burke and the Jimmer from what they did at the college level. Unfortunately, we are finding out once more that college and the NBA is completely different. Even without Burke's injury, I failed to see him look even like a shadow of his former self. In the NBA, guys are bigger and much more athletic.

We must focus on who will be the better NBA player, not college.

From what I've read, Wiggins is very athletic and won't have any problem playing the 3 at the NBA.

Take Wiggins, unless he truly is a bone head.
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Is Parker less or more explosive than Hayward?
 
franklin said:
No one wants Randle bc Kanter-Favors. It has nothing to do with talent.

Best thing for Jazz would be to trade down out of Randle unless he looks like a future HOFer. Trading Kanter or Favors for a wing would be harder.

I'd trade down from Wiggins as well if I could get two for one.
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Asset management > ermagerd look at that dude jump!!1!!
 
Randle might be the most dominant offensive player in the draft, especially if he shows he has some range during pre-draft. I like he defensive potential.

That said, I think defense is what sets Wiggins apart from Parker. Both Wiggins and Randle look to have better physical tools on the defensive end than Parker.
 
sgjazzfan said:
From what I have read, correct me if I'm wrong people, Parker is a more athletic version of Paul Pierce.
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Ty I think they're nearly identical. I love the Pierce / Parker comp... and I loathe comps in general. Parker is Pierce with a much more polished inside game and better rebounding instincts.

Catchall said:
Randle might be the most dominant offensive player in the draft, especially if he shows he has some range during pre-draft. I like he defensive potential.

That said, I think defense is what sets Wiggins apart from Parker. Both Wiggins and Randle look to have better physical tools on the defensive end than Parker.
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Randle hae definite range. He's 3/3 on 3's thus far but you can just see the confidence and the effortless shot.
Dudes an animal... I'm only putting him behind Parker because I think he'll be slightly easier to guard (less crafty) than Parker.
 
PKM said:
Randle hae definite range. He's 3/3 on 3's thus far but you can just see the confidence and the effortless shot.
Dudes an animal... I'm only putting him behind Parker because I think he'll be slightly easier to guard (less crafty) than Parker.
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How often do you think he'll play the 3 at UK this year, PKM?

What's his handle & passing like?
 
The thought of having Kanter and Randle on the floor together, where both can hit from 20 feet, both can drive and get to the basket with body control, and both can score in the post would give the Jazz a nice 1-2 punch offensively. The same could probably be said with Parker and Wiggins, but Kanter and Randle could torture the other team's bigs all night, with one of them going hard on the offensive glass on every play.

Good teams like the Spurs and the Heat space out the floor and let their most athletic player break down the defense--Parker in SA's case, and Lebron normally for the Heat. The Lakers did this too, with shooters on the wing and Kobe going at his defender from the top of the key. Then if Kobe didn't convert, Lamar Odom was right behind looking to clean up. The Jazz have a really nice clean-up crew, with Kanter and Favors (and add Gobert), but they need that primary player who can break down the defense.

I feel like Parker is probably going to be a guy who floats mostly on the perimeter, like a Rudy Gay or Danny Granger. Although Parker is a triple-threat player (shoot, pass, drive), I'd like to have a guy whom I know can get a step, get into the lane and break the defense. I think Exum and the Harrisons might be just as effective as Parker in this respect. This is probably why Parker is sitting in the 5-7 range of most mock drafts right now.

BTW, Hayward is trying to play this role right now, and it's not really working.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
How often do you think he'll play the 3 at UK this year, PKM?

What's his handle & passing like?
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It just isn't necessary for him to play SF for UK. Makes no sense to have Randle, WCS, and Dakari on the court at the same time.. but we will see it at some point I am certain.

Having said that, if you watch Randle play, he's essentially starting from the perimeter, making a spin or crossover to get by his man defender and then finishes strong against the help d. If they sag he shoots it. You will see the handles and passing to play quite a lot on the perimeter... he grabs rebounds and brings the ball up against full pressure... he has the tools.. I'm just continuing to question the infatuation with going BIG at a position.... when bb is about far more than that. I think he's better suited to out skill PF's than just out size SF's.
 
PKM said:
It just isn't necessary for him to play SF for UK. Makes no sense to have Randle, WCS, and Dakari on the court at the same time.. but we will see it at some point I am certain.

Having said that, if you watch Randle play, he's essentially starting from the perimeter, making a spin or crossover to get by his man defender and then finishes strong against the help d. If they sag he shoots it. You will see the handles and passing to play quite a lot on the perimeter... he grabs rebounds and brings the ball up against full pressure... he has the tools.. I'm just continuing to question the infatuation with going BIG at a position.... when bb is about far more than that. I think he's better suited to out skill PF's than just out size SF's.
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EXACTLY.

This is why I see a lot of "LeBron" in him. He has huge potential in this regard IMO. I love any player that has that inside-outside game (ala Dirk, LeBron, Kanter). He is certainly physical and agile enough to play this style. (too big for most SF, too quick for most PF)

I'm just a bit concern whether he has enough handle & passing ability to play the SF full time. If he's skilful enough to do it, night in, night out, - I'm taking him over Jabari, no questions asked.
 
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