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Game thread..Pelicans @jazz.... tank tested

Jazzfan0124 said:
The Nuggets are trying to trade the Manimmal for Shumpert.... No amount of losses will satisfy me.
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Yup. The Jazz are top-3 in just about every suckstistic that you can imagine, and have all the tools necessary to not compete, but as colton is fond of saying: "you can't take anything for granite."
 
Siro said:
I'm not sure finishing in last place is any better than finishing with second or third worst record. In fact, I like third worst best. If Jazz finish 28th in the league, they have roughly equal chances at any of the top 3 pick, with a slightly higher chance at the 4th pick. Finish in first place gives them a higher chance to land the first pick, but 35% of landing the forth (compared to only 22% of landing 4th pick for third to last finish)
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Math. How does that **** work?
 
The Jazz should win this one, but based on what we've seen so far that doesn't mean anything. I somehow wouldn't be surprised if Tyreke Evans has a monster game against the Jazz after struggling so far this season.
 
b_line said:
My worry about the chance of getting the 5th pick is this: I view the draft as 1, 2, 3 being Parker, Randle and Wiggins, in no particular order. After that, do you see a surefire superstar? I see Dante Exum being very good, but not surefire like the other three, and then 5th, is there a player as good as any in the top 4? I don't really think there is. But we have a whole college season to see that.

So, in summation, Jazz need to tank the hell out of this season, and ensure a top 4 pick with their record. The other thing we need to do is hire some linebackers to play for ten day contracts when we play the warriors, and get lucky with the ping pong balls on that pick. We can have ourselves a superstar, and another all star with the GSW pick. Just count it as payback for the way Mark Jackson treated Stockton, and the way those guys immorally tanked one year. (Is what we are doing this year any better morally?)
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I don't disagree with any of that. I want the Jazz to get #1 pick because I really want Wiggins. But, since the lottery is a game of odds, there is no need to stress out over finishing in last place, let alone rooting for the other team every single game. I think the long term damage to the team from a horrendous season far outweighs any potential benefit the Jazz receive from slightly better lottery odds. I'm surprised I'm one of very few who see it that way. Most seem to believe that the addition of a single potential all star will magically transform a 10-72 team to a championship contender. You better hope a healthy Jazz is much better than we've seen so far, because otherwise, count on being a bottom feeder for at least several more years.
 
Siro said:
I'm not sure finishing in last place is any better than finishing with second or third worst record. In fact, I like third worst best. If Jazz finish 28th in the league, they have roughly equal chances at any of the top 3 pick, with a slightly higher chance at the 4th pick. Finish in first place gives them a higher chance to land the first pick, but 35% of landing the forth (compared to only 22% of landing 4th pick for third to last finish). And given the fact there are at least 3 amazing prospects competing for top pick, I don't see what the fuss is all about. Finishing the season with something like 10 wins will ensure we have a team that doesn't care much about winning, full of players waiting for their opportunity to leave. And no 19 year old can magically change that.
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The reason you have a lower chance of getting the 4th pick if you have the 3rd worst record is that you have a chance of getting the 5th or 6th pick (which you don't when you have the worst record). Sheesh.
 
Some of y'all don't pay attention to tanking teams each year.

Teams do some crazy things in the name of the tank at the end of the season, and I'm not sure the Jazz are willing to get down and dirty like that.

We need to lose as many of these early season games as possible. Remember, we are tanking N00bs and veteran tankers could easily out tank us down the stretch.

If you think starting 0-8 means we can start being careless and adding wins, you aint ready to join the Tank Nation.
 
I'll be at the game tonight. Hopefully the Jazz can finally get a win. I'll also be at Monday's game, when if they still haven't picked a win, the Jazz will be trying to avoid setting a new franchise-worst start of 0-12.
 
Siro said:
What I'm saying is, finishing in last place far from guarantees the top pick. It only happened twice since lottery rules changed in the 90s. The difference between finishing dead last and finishing with third worst record is that the former guarantees a top 4 picks, while the latter nets you a top 6 (and the odds of 3rd landing the 6th pick is only 4%, so pretty much guarantees a top 5 pick). It is a trivial difference since the draft has several superstar prospects, and we cannot know where they end up in the future.

I hope you feel less misled.
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The diference between 3rd and 5th is far from trivial imo.

It is misleading because it makes it sound like the odds are more similar than they are. The worst team has a %35 chance of 4th or later. The 3rd worst team has a 52% chance of 4th or later. To put it another way the waorst team has a %65 chance at top 3 while the third worst has only a %48. The worst team has a significant statistical advantage in the lotto over the the 3rd worst. so yeah the quote below is misleading.

Siro said:
I'm not sure finishing in last place is any better than finishing with second or third worst record. In fact, I like third worst best. If Jazz finish 28th in the league, they have roughly equal chances at any of the top 3 pick, with a slightly higher chance at the 4th pick. Finish in first place gives them a higher chance to land the first pick, but 35% of landing the forth (compared to only 22% of landing 4th pick for third to last finish). And given the fact there are at least 3 amazing prospects competing for top pick, I don't see what the fuss is all about. Finishing the season with something like 10 wins will ensure we have a team that doesn't care much about winning, full of players waiting for their opportunity to leave. And no 19 year old can magically change that.
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Also there are more teams that will be "competing" for the 3rd worst so a single win could drop us to 4th or even 5th worst record.
 
All this silly Laker and draft position talk in a gamethread?! Boo!!!

GO JAZZ!!!!!
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
The reason you have a lower chance of getting the 4th pick if you have the 3rd worst record is that you have a chance of getting the 5th or 6th pick (which you don't when you have the worst record). Sheesh.
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This has been mentioned several times, and I've already responded to it.
 
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