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Game thread..Pelicans @jazz.... tank tested

Siro said:
I don't disagree with any of that. I want the Jazz to get #1 pick because I really want Wiggins. But, since the lottery is a game of odds, there is no need to stress out over finishing in last place, let alone rooting for the other team every single game. I think the long term damage to the team from a horrendous season far outweighs any potential benefit the Jazz receive from slightly better lottery odds. I'm surprised I'm one of very few who see it that way. Most seem to believe that the addition of a single potential all star will magically transform a 10-72 team to a championship contender. You better hope a healthy Jazz is much better than we've seen so far, because otherwise, count on being a bottom feeder for at least several more years.
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So you think that a 23-win team will suffer so much less long-term damage than a 20-win team that you're willing to risk dropping from a top-4 guaranteed to top-6? Going from 100% odds of a top-4 to 70% is NOT "slightly better".
 
bordelais7 said:
So you think that a 23-win team will suffer so much less long-term damage than a 20-win team that you're willing to risk dropping from a top-4 guaranteed to top-6? Going from 100% odds of a top-4 to 70% is NOT "slightly better".
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This^

Would be absolutely devastating to tank the year away but still fall out of the top 4.
 
We need to show our support for the tank. That means butts in seats. The best time to show our enthusiasm is after a nationally televised event showing off the prospects while the jazz are winless. That is tonight, boys. Buy a ticket, go to the game, stay til it's over and show the FO we're behind them.
 
UGLI baby said:
This^

Would be absolutely devastating to tank the year away but still fall out of the top 4.
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This times 1000. We have committed to a strategy. Now let's do it. I hope Lindsey is a lot more committed to his plan than some of you are. The good thing is that it's pretty obvious that he is.
 
UGLI baby said:
Some of y'all don't pay attention to tanking teams each year.

Teams do some crazy things in the name of the tank at the end of the season, and I'm not sure the Jazz are willing to get down and dirty like that.

We need to lose as many of these early season games as possible. Remember, we are tanking N00bs and veteran tankers could easily out tank us down the stretch.

If you think starting 0-8 means we can start being careless and adding wins, you aint ready to join the Tank Nation.
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This.

We will win games later when we are healthy and our schedule gets easier.
Now is the time to lose.

Also, like someone else said, if we are gonna win let it be against playoff teams that are not a threat to The Tank.
Don't want to beat the pelicans cause they are one unibrow injury from tanking against us
 
bordelais7 said:
So you think that a 23-win team will suffer so much less long-term damage than a 20-win team that you're willing to risk dropping from a top-4 guaranteed to top-6? Going from 100% odds of a top-4 to 70% is NOT "slightly better".
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You're strawmanning my argument. If it comes down to a couple of games, then of course it would be better to finish last. But so far, this Jazz team doesn't look like it can beat anyone. I don't have much hope that the return of Burke will make the Jazz a lot better. So rooting for the Jazz to lose every game doesn't make much sense. It'll demolish the players' confidence. It'll decrease the chances the core sticks together. It'll cast doubt on whether the core is worth keeping together to begin with. It'll ruin a culture of competitiveness and hard work that gave the Jazz quite the reputation among NBA teams. In short, the current level of play won't cut it, regardless of where we end up in the lottery.
 
Siro said:
You're strawmanning my argument. If it comes down to a couple of games, then of course it would be better to finish last. But so far, this Jazz team doesn't look like it can beat anyone. I don't have much hope that the return of Burke will make the Jazz a lot better. So rooting for the Jazz to lose every game doesn't make much sense. It'll demolish the players' confidence. It'll decrease the chances the core sticks together. It'll cast doubt on whether the core is worth keeping together to begin with. It'll ruin a culture of competitiveness and hard work that gave the Jazz quite the reputation among NBA teams. In short, the current level of play won't cut it, regardless of where we end up in the lottery.
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I agree with that. I am rooting for a win tonight. 1 in every 8 games means only 10 wins. I think that would be a more than sufficient tank job.
 
Siro said:
You're strawmanning my argument. If it comes down to a couple of games, then of course it would be better to finish last. But so far, this Jazz team doesn't look like it can beat anyone. I don't have much hope that the return of Burke will make the Jazz a lot better. So rooting for the Jazz to lose every game doesn't make much sense. It'll demolish the players' confidence. It'll decrease the chances the core sticks together. It'll cast doubt on whether the core is worth keeping together to begin with. It'll ruin a culture of competitiveness and hard work that gave the Jazz quite the reputation among NBA teams. In short, the current level of play won't cut it, regardless of where we end up in the lottery.
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The ONLY good argument for tanking is that we should get the worst record in the league this year. We don't need to be historically bad to do that. The argument you are giving is that we need to be just a little bit better. It is roughly equivalent to saying "playoffs are great, and being a top 4 seed is great" year in and year out. If we are not consistently winning our division, then we probably have no chance at winning a title. The same goes for tanking. If we are not "winning the tank" then what the hell are we doing it for?
 
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