LOL john hollinger has no clue about BOOZER

[NUMBERICA]

Yeah. REALLY. That doesn't mean you don't take Millsap's injuries at the time out of consideration, and it doesn't mean Millsap will run into the same problem again. But yes, REALLY. For whatever reason, Millsap fell apart two years ago.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Facts -
1) Booz put up great numbers in Utah and the Jazz offense was very efficient with him in a key role
2) Sap did fade very quickly - independent of conjectures on why or how anyone wants to spin it
2) Booz's biggest problems were injuries and length
3) Hopefully Sap does not ride the pine like Carlos but as for length he does not help
4) Hollinger's point on depth is the same point Sloan has made multiple times - Replacing Carlos with Sap is not the issue, the issue is having someone coming off the bench.

We can hate Booz all we want, and i am glad the Jazz did not pay what the Bulls did, but Booz was a great player in the Jazz system and will not be easy to replace.

Post-flagged for blatant non-Boozer hating.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Hollinger is usually never right on anything - but I find it hard to disagree with the general premise of his answer. I think the thing he forgot to mention is when healthy Boozer's play doesn't drop off throughout the season - but he's not always healthy while Millsap is.

well to me breaking down is the real running out of GASS

the when healthy stuff does not count. not wheter millsap runs out of gass again or not.
the when healthy stiff is just an excuse.
now that cp3 is healthy deron got bumped to 2nd/3rd again in pg ranking.

if by that aocunt i hereby DECLARE YAO MING AND GREG ODEN BEST CENTERS IN NBA HISTORY

 

[DutchJazzer]

facts from my(gomretat's) point of view -
1) booz put up great numbers in utah and the jazz offense was very efficient with him in a key role
2) sap did fade very quickly - independent of conjectures on why or how anyone wants to spin it
2) booz's biggest problems were injuries and length
3) hopefully sap does not ride the pine like carlos but as for length he does not help
4) hollinger's point on depth is the same point sloan has made multiple times - replacing carlos with sap is not the issue, the issue is having someone coming off the bench.

We can hate booz all we want, and i am glad the jazz did not pay what the bulls did, but booz was a great player in the jazz system and will not be easy to replace.

fixed

 

[DutchJazzer]

also what irks me is the media labels the jazz as 2 comeback victories in a row. forgetting the clippers come back victory. really is it htat hard to check your facts

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Hollinger is correct and the big drop-off around depth is huge, particularly with Memo out.

The "big drop-off" is because Memo is out, not because we lost Bozzer and added Jefferson. This has nothing to do with Milsap and Jefferson vs Milsap and Bozzer and has everything to do with Game 1 of the Denver series last year.

 

[Fishsticks]

Facts -
1) Booz put up great numbers in Utah and the Jazz offense was very efficient with him in a key role
2) Sap did fade very quickly - independent of conjectures on why or how anyone wants to spin it
2) Booz's biggest problems were injuries and length
3) Hopefully Sap does not ride the pine like Carlos but as for length he does not help
4) Hollinger's point on depth is the same point Sloan has made multiple times - Replacing Carlos with Sap is not the issue, the issue is having someone coming off the bench.

We can hate Booz all we want, and i am glad the Jazz did not pay what the Bulls did, but Booz was a great player in the Jazz system and will not be easy to replace.

Some one needs to slap the shizz out of you right now.

 

[m3at]

The thing that I always hated about Booz was not knowing what his real intent was. It also seemed like his impact on games were very minimal in most games. That being said, he had his moments where he showed up and carried the team through a couple games in some of our play-off series throughout his duration here. But mostly I think his numbers were pretty meaningless in most games.

I don't think I ever disliked the guy, but for a guy his size I suppose I expected him to work in the low post much more than he did and he seemed to always disappear against teams who had a bigger front court. I was always taught that you take it right to the bigger guys and get them in foul trouble. It seemed like he was fine settling for the 15'-20' J's most of the time.

 

[vslice02]

In 2006-07 Boozer was a top-12 player in the league, 2007-08 and 2009-10 a top-20 player and carried us to playoff wins over the Rockets and Warriors in 2007 - and was also tremendous in the Nuggets series last year. Say what you will, but averaging 20&10 over 75 games per year is tough - which is why only 4-5 players do it year-in and year-out.

I think Millsap is perfectly capable of doing the same - but until he actually does no one can say for sure. Another positive thing about his development is there will be nights in January and February where he might not have the tremendous energy he usually does - and that's where his jumpshot and pick-and-roll ability can get him alot more baskets that he won't have to work as hard for.

 

[franklin]

Hollinger reminds me of Slopper.

Are you trying to spark a thread about how f'in NBA illiterate you are er somethin? StalkyrLone, you ride some members' *** like Scott Padget rides pine. Good job playing the emotional war game again rather than adding to the discussion.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Hollinger is correct and the big drop-off around depth is huge, particularly with Memo out. I hope Sap keeps it up but only time will tell. We can hate Booz all we want but watching AJ try and integrate has reinforced how good Booz was. Won't miss his bench time but he had good bball IQ and fit very well in the Jazz system. Hopefully Al will do the same

The thing the Jazz miss the most about Boozer is his rebounding. You could pretty much count on Boozer to clear the boards in his area.

I'd be interested to see what the +/- on the Jazz rebounding is with different line ups on the floor.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Facts -
1) Booz put up great numbers in Utah and the Jazz offense was very efficient with him in a key role
2) Sap did fade very quickly - independent of conjectures on why or how anyone wants to spin it
2) Booz's biggest problems were injuries and length
3) Hopefully Sap does not ride the pine like Carlos but as for length he does not help
4) Hollinger's point on depth is the same point Sloan has made multiple times - Replacing Carlos with Sap is not the issue, the issue is having someone coming off the bench.

We can hate Booz all we want, and i am glad the Jazz did not pay what the Bulls did, but Booz was a great player in the Jazz system and will not be easy to replace.

The Jazz didn't replace Boozer with Millsap, they replaced Boozer with Al Jefferson. Al has replaced Boozer's scoring and improved the defense a tad, while being able to play with Millsap a little better (since he's a low-post player while Boozer is a high-post player). If Al can rebound as well as Boozer did, we wouldn't miss Boozer at all.