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When will we the people realize we are being played. While the politicians have the people squabbling over gay marriage and abortion they are subsidizing the transnational corporations systematic destruction of American industrial capacity. The GOP doesn't give a **** about free market principles and the DNC doesn't care if you die poor.
 
When will we the people realize we are being played. While the politicians have the people squabbling over gay marriage and abortion they are subsidizing the transnational corporations systematic destruction of American industrial capacity. The GOP doesn't give a **** about free market principles and the DNC doesn't care if you die poor.

BINGO.

Best post yet. Why doesn't anyone wonder why big companies/wall street/oil donate to both the left and right? Because they are all pushing the same policies.
 
When will we the people realize we are being played. While the politicians have the people squabbling over gay marriage and abortion they are subsidizing the transnational corporations systematic destruction of American industrial capacity. The GOP doesn't give a **** about free market principles and the DNC doesn't care if you die poor.

BINGO.

Best post yet. Why doesn't anyone wonder why big companies/wall street/oil donate to both the left and right? Because they are all pushing the same policies.
 
I'll just say that Bush signed a similar deal with china in 2000(pretty sure it was 2000)

LOL. Like when Bush started the bailouts and Obama just continued them. Or how Romney backed the healthcare plan that would eventually shape Obamacare.

They are fighting against each other. They get us squabbling about stupid, irrelevant topics then pass the same legislation.
 
LOL. Like when Bush started the bailouts and Obama just continued them. Or how Romney backed the healthcare plan that would eventually shape Obamacare.

They are fighting against each other. They get us squabbling about stupid, irrelevant topics then pass the same legislation.

It's what I call the teeter-totter to hell. We think things are swinging back and fourth but it's all part of the same ride.
 
@Green -

You ask some good question in here. They are questions that need to be raised, and re-raised. I wish I had more time to give a detailed post, but I only have time to address one thing that hasn't been brought up.

ONE reason there isn't a push to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US (of the textile, Nike, Apple variety) is that Americans are, in large part, unwilling to do this kind of work. Then, of course, there is the increased wages, but I won't get into that.

The literature that really dives into the willingness to work comes out of Italy. Check out the operismo stuff. We fought for and sorta won our liberation from the doldrums of factory work... for better or worse.

If you look at the history of capitalism in the longview, you see that one reason the frontline of production shifts (from England to the US to China) is that the labor force is, in some sense, exhausted. Capitalism promises increasing returns. There's always the dream of an automated, work-free existence. Infinite toiling is not acceptable.
 
LOL. Like when Bush started the bailouts and Obama just continued them. Or how Romney backed the healthcare plan that would eventually shape Obamacare.

They are fighting against each other. They get us squabbling about stupid, irrelevant topics then pass the same legislation.

Exactly! I don't know how many times I've tried to explain to my mother that she dislikes Obama for precisely the same reasons that I disliked Bush.
 
Those that have read 1984(hopefully everyone) dhould be able to follow my logic here

Soundbites are worse than just rhetoric. They redefine language and often make us incapable of having intelligent conversations.

Example Free Market Capitalism

This phrase has redefined the meaning of both Capitalism and Free Markets. After being said millions of times we have come to define free markets and capitalism as one and the same.

Free Markets were originally used to define a system in which prices were set by unrestricted competition

Capitalism was originally used to define an economic system in which industry was controlled by private owners for profit

You can have a free market without capitalism and you can have Capitalism without a free market(this is what we have)

We live under capitalistic regime that manipulates the market in favor of the Capitalist.
 
This is part of what I was getting at. I agree 100%. It is really pissing me off that I have to pay taxes so Walmart can screw over their employees and make billions off of it.

True capitalism ends with Wal Mart owning everything. Is that what we want? You have to have regulations.

Also, aren't we the largest consumer in the world? Why don't we leverage that power more? Why are we cowtailing (gameface, did I use that right? ha ha) to every other country all while losing jobs to other countries? Why don't we just create an import tax big enough to convince Apple/Nike/etc to bring manufacturing jobs back?

Because Ayn Rand worshipping conservatives have hijacked the entire GOP and have greatly influenced the Democrats. Neither political party has an economic policy that makes any sense. Both have completely abandoned what made us great from the early 1900s until the late 70s. Both parties completely ignore the economic policy that protects workers, domestic companies (especially small businesses), and necessary regulations which most other successful industrial democracies have. We are literally a shadow of what we once were. I encourage all of you to google the "Gilded Age." We have entered a new one. And it's going to take a new progressive era to fix it.

That's not an endorsement of revolution or socialism. But it is an endorsement of citizens becoming active, protesting the abomination we have as an economy right now, and fixing the inequality gap. It's goin to take probably about 20-30 years to fix it (as long as it took for it to be wrecked). Since 08, just look at how the top percent has made off like bandits.

That's not a healthy economy. In fact, it's exactly the trend for a country headed to disaster. We have the wealth distribution of a 3rd world country. And the puzzling thing about it is hardly anyone seems to notice it.

Germany is one of the most pro "free market" economies out there and there's no way in hell they'd stand for bank bailouts of 800 billion dollars, enter a recession, and then work their asses off only to see 1 percent benefit.

Not even Hoover or Coolidge, some of thee most conservative pro free market presidents we had in the past century could recognize what we are today. In many ways, we are far more "free market" friendly than we were 100 years ago.

Behold, a new gilded age! Where your job is to work for pennies and die! People are commodities! Sacrifice yourselves, for your omnipotent CEO masters!

Capitalism is great. But it needs to be regulated and protected. Otherwise, it will eat itself.
 
Don't blame Ayn Rand. She would be more critical of today's economy and the policies of both parties than any of us are.
 
Don't blame Ayn Rand. She would be more critical of today's economy and the policies of both parties than any of us are.

Word. I don't think either party is down with what Ayn Rand would be down with
 
It's what I call the teeter-totter to hell. We think things are swinging back and fourth but it's all part of the same ride.

Calling the 2 equal is like proclaiming the Jazz and knicks equal disasters.

Democrats don't completely and blatantly attack the middle/lower classes to provide to their corporate masters.

Republicans don't give a rip right now about anyone other than their corporate masters. Their war on food stamps while passing agricultural subsidies is a perfect example of this.
 
Calling the 2 equal is like proclaiming the Jazz and knicks equal disasters.

Democrats don't completely and blatantly attack the middle/lower classes to provide to their corporate masters.

Republicans don't give a rip right now about anyone other than their corporate masters. Their war on food stamps while passing agricultural subsidies is a perfect example of this.

Ride on with ya bad self.
 
Don't blame Ayn Rand. She would be more critical of today's economy and the policies of both parties than any of us are.

Her whole worshipping of materialism... "Greed is good" no matter the cost... Is exactly what's endorsed by those who have hijacked our economy.

No longer are we focused on sustained healthy long term growth. Now it's short term monster gains and to hell with my company, co workers, and country.
 
Calling the 2 equal is like proclaiming the Jazz and knicks equal disasters.

Democrats don't completely and blatantly attack the middle/lower classes to provide to their corporate masters.

Republicans don't give a rip right now about anyone other than their corporate masters. Their war on food stamps while passing agricultural subsidies is a perfect example of this.

They both take what is not theirs and put it somewhere else. Both parties are rent-seeking. Just serving different interests.
 
Don't blame Ayn Rand. She would be more critical of today's economy and the policies of both parties than any of us are.

Her whole worshipping of materialism... "Greed is good" no matter the cost... Is exactly what's endorsed by those who have hijacked our economy.

No longer are we focused on sustained healthy long term growth. Now it's short term monster gains and to hell with my company, co workers, and country.
 
Her whole worshipping of materialism... "Greed is good" no matter the cost... Is exactly what's endorsed by those who have hijacked our economy.

No longer are we focused on sustained healthy long term growth. Now it's short term monster gains and to hell with my company, co workers, and country.

Her views are probably most in line with the libertarian party, who ain't running **** right now
 
Her whole worshipping of materialism... "Greed is good" no matter the cost... Is exactly what's endorsed by those who have hijacked our economy.

No longer are we focused on sustained healthy long term growth. Now it's short term monster gains and to hell with my company, co workers, and country.

No she did not think using government for your own greedy purposes was acceptable.
 
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