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Ty Corbin's quote on playing Jefferson over Burks in the 4th.

The Fresh Prince said:
Brewer was good at the baseline cut, and that's about it.
Burks atleast can do something with the ball in his hand.
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Yup. And when I said that for a couple of years, all I got was basically the same responses I get from Burks lovers. It's actually quite funny.

Burks is the less talented, less effective version of Al. He can do some things very well, but at the expense of everyone else.
 
gregbroncs said:
Yet in the minutes it was tried they played better than any lineups the Jazz have used all year. According to a post in my thread dedicated to that lineup. He had a # of games to try it, when he finally did it worked really well against a great defense. And yet the following game (with everybody healthy, just for U Frankin-troll) he used that lineup exactly 0 minutes.
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Hey green..... respond to this post please
 
Sexual Favors said:
And you know this how? This is all based on what you know about these players playing in different lineups. Every lineup changes how players play. Remember Hayward last year? He shot 45% from 3 post December. Now, he can't shoot at all. If Burks was cutting and curling and doing more of the driving to the basket, maybe Hayward could chill on the perimiter for open looks again and regain that.

As is, R.J. shoots 35% from 3. Burks is shooting 32.4% --not a huge difference in terms of this spacing you think R.J. brings. If Hayward could regain his 3 pt shot from last year by having another competent ball handler out there (thus his useage rate and attention on him could conceivably go down), he could get better looks from 3 and fall into the rhythm that he used to have out there.

Just saying... you are spitting on something before it's been proven.
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Imagine if Kanter developed that 3-point shot. He could open up the offense so much for Burks and Favors down in the paint.
 
green said:
The response was simple: When Jefferson came into the game and Burks left, the Jazz made a run to get to within 5.
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But you said that the burke, burks, Hayward, favors, kanter lineup would suck and he said that statistics show that it is our best lineup that has been used this season.

This has nothing to do with the Jefferson instead of burks decision from last night btw
 
1 - where are his stats

2 - according to his quote, "He had a # of games to try it, when he finally did it worked really well against a great defense." he used it once and it worked?

huh.
 
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fishonjazz said:
In this thread I think
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?22344-Burke-Burks-Hayward-Favors-Kanter
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OK. So, he was talking about the Pacers game. I went and looked at how our lineup did in this game.

The lineup first came together with 4:18 left in the first quarter. The score was 9-17, Utah leading. Our starting lineup of Favors, Kanter, JEFFERSON, Hayward and Burke built that lead. The Pacers had George, Hill, Scola, Hibbert and Stephenson on the court (4 starters). This lineup ended with 2:17 left in the first. The score was 13-19. So, our young 5 vs 4 of their starters lost that round 4-2.

The second time the lineup came together was 6:26 left in the second quarter. The score was 29-32. The Pacers had West, Stephenson and three bench players on the court. No Hill, George or Hibbert. This lasted until 4:48 in the second. At that time the score was 31-42, Utah. So, against three bench players, our young 5 our scored the Pacers 2-10. With 4:48 left in the second Q, Hibbert, Hill, and George came back in the game. From that point forward, the score was 2-2.

The last time the lineup was together was with 4:26 left in the game. The score was 84-76. The Pacers had their starting five in the game. When the game ended, the final score was 95-84. So, against their starters, the score was 11-8.

So, against the Pacers starters, the young 5 lost 17-12. Our young five against three bench players, no George or Hibbert won 10-2.

So, this lineup is FANTASTIC...if we only play their bench players. I would be curious to see what the score was with Burke, Hayward, Jefferson, Kanter, Favors vs Stephenson, George, Hill, West and Hibbert.
 
So, I looked at the lineup of Burke, Jefferson, Hayward, Favors and Kanter vs the Pacers.

This was the starting lineup. It was changed with 4:24 in the first Q. The score was 9-17 Utah.

With 3:51 left in the second Q, it put back on the floor and the Jazz were out scored 10-2.

Then it was on the floor to start the second half. The Jazz and Pacer were tied during this stretch, 14-14.

So, the overall scoring of that lineup was 33-33 and that lineup was always against the starting five.

So, Jefferson against the Pacer's starters: 33-33.

Burks against the Pacer's starters: 17-12 Pacers.

Jefferson, as limited/old/sucky as he is, is better than Burks with our real "core 4".
 
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