Following potential 2014 draftees

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I hate how Young's stroke reminds me of CJ Miles. Not sure I'll ever be able to get that out of my head. Kinda unfair for the kid tbh

 

[Hantlers]

At the start of the season I did not see it in young, but he looks like he has put it together. He goes really hard. Surprised at his shooting percentages doe. Suppose to be a strength.

Cal can't coach shooters. Never has been able to.








/rustling PKM's jimmies

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Young is a rebounder. He had 10 last game against Louisville as well. Nice to have a wing with back-to-back 10rb games, that hits the 3, and plays d.

Having said that, I am not overly impressed with any UK player, tbh. Randle I love.. but he has some things that concern me.
Young I love, but he's not screaming star.
Harrison's are just average.
Johnson is too slow.
Lee to raw.
Poythress too passive.
WCS a bit too raw.

I like ALL those guys, but I'm less impressed than I thought I would be, with every one of them. (and I hate saying that because Randle, in particular, is a freakin brute and plays all out)

Having said all that, it's got the potential to be an unbelievable cbb team by year's end.

I hated WCS last year - never thought he'd do anything, but I'm starting to come around on him. In nearly the same amount of minutes, he's doubled his blocked shots, is turning it over about half as much and has gone from 6 rebs to 8 rebs a game. Guys who are his size and move as well as he does are so rare. I'd like to see him be a bit more aggressive and more consistent - especially on the glass - but I like him.

Randle, yeah he has some things - turns it over a bit much, hasn't been able to hit the jump shot, probably a bit shorter than we'd all like him to be, can't go right, etc - but the guy is a monster talent, has a motor that won't quit and even if he disappoints in the NBA, he should still get you 10-12 rebs a game.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I hate how Young's stroke reminds me of CJ Miles. Not sure I'll ever be able to get that out of my head. Kinda unfair for the kid tbh

Not just the stroke, but the frequency at which they hit the bottom of the net that reminds one of Miles.

 

[LunaticWolf]

I insist on picking out individual teams and players BECAUSE THEY ARE WHAT MAKE UP DRAFT. Are you dense?

Historical data does not always work in these cases because we're talking about individual cases that make up the whole. This really isn't that difficult. If you haven't even bothered to look at what players are likely to get drafted, then you cannot state an accurate opinion on how the draft will end up.

Do you even understand statistics?

Or do you just assume that kids born in 1995 are more talented at basketball then kids born in any other year?

Why does this draft have more talent than 2007? Because ESPN analysts are freaking out?

There is a 3 out 66 chance this draft is another 84, 96, or 03. 95% chance that this draft in the same as any other. 1 bust, 1 repeating all NBA, 2 people make an all star game/all nba once or twice, 6 solid starters/sixth (like Marvin), 10-15 role players, 20 players that are gone within 3 years, and 15 that never play a minute.

 

[Revolution 9]

Young is a rebounder. He had 10 last game against Louisville as well. Nice to have a wing with back-to-back 10rb games, that hits the 3, and plays d.

Having said that, I am not overly impressed with any UK player, tbh. Randle I love.. but he has some things that concern me.
Young I love, but he's not screaming star.
Harrison's are just average.
Johnson is too slow.
Lee to raw.
Poythress too passive.
WCS a bit too raw.

I like ALL those guys, but I'm less impressed than I thought I would be, with every one of them. (and I hate saying that because Randle, in particular, is a freakin brute and plays all out)

Having said all that, it's got the potential to be an unbelievable cbb team by year's end.

brutal honesty. I love it

 

[Revolution 9]

Haven't watched Smart play live. Just seen the clips.

Anyone have a good comparison? Rose? T Evans? Westbrook? Ronnie Price?

We need to start looking at the 5-8 range, and focusing on that now period.

 

[BTP]

LOL... so are u telling me your gf find you funny??

Nah but woman like my swagger of being able to scorch people who act like they are out of their mind using their own words against them.

So because in past drafts there would only be one star means that in this draft it's being generous to say there might be 2 stars? Again, I'm not saying that your overall conclusion is wrong, but your way of getting to the conclusion is just horrid. Why are you so scared to just evaluate each player individually? Is it because you know that you can't? I'm starting to assume that it is.



Not really. You can take bits and pieces from them, but they're really not that relevant. Each draft is full of new players, whom don't really have a lot to do with each other. For example, last year in the NFL draft people were saying how you can't take an Alabama RB because they're only successful because of the team they played on in college but limited pro prospects (Ingram and Richardson) and then Eddie Lacy happened. That's why you evaluate each player based on his own merits, not past draft history. I would love for you to explain how they are relevant though. Explain away, please.

Last part reminds me a little bit of MCW and Syracuse's zone. Word was always: Size and length is a huge defensive plus potentially. Then in summer league he'd defend the pick and roll and bump into every screen like little birds hit windows when a bird of prey is around. Worked smart all summer, turned it and he's a boss now.

Uh, yes. Because statistically, over 70 years of drafts, only 1 player is a star in a draft. Why is this draft any different?




Why do you insist on picking out individual teams and players? If you look at each draft class as a whole, the talent levels are very similar. Could this be another 84, 96, or 03? Sure. But 70 years of drafts say it isn't likely. Very rare.

Okay maybe we have a different definition of superstar. But superstar is someone who's got the potential to be a first option on a mediocre to good team or 2nd 1st option on a contender.
2006: Chris Paul, Deron Williams
2008: Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love
2009: Blake Griffin, James Harden
2010: John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Paul George - I'm not sure about the first two, but they have still potential to get there.
2012: Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard, (Andre Drummond)

simmons is an idiot if he thinks parker can be everyday 4.

I think Parker should try to work on his quickness and play the wing while he's young. When he getts older he can gain weight/muscles and transition to the 4. A player like Parker is right now should be placed on the wing because his defensive impact inside would lower his efficiency.

In regards to Young's and others rebounding numbers, I think it's only fair to point out that MSU is one of the worst, if not the worst rebounding teams in the nation.

Kentucky still has a lot of kids that are great talents, and they will prove (or already have proven) that in other games, I just think it's important to know it all, yo.

That's one thing that bugs me frequently. I mean if I'm a coach and I'm unhappy with my players rebounding. I teach them a lesson about rebounding. You don't box out practice is extended. You don't box out in games, you sit on the bench. So many games are decided over rebounding and the couple extra shots you give up because of it. It's nothing to do with BBIQ: When you see it fly, simply search a body to box out and look where your teammates are so you have the important areas covered.

At the start of the season I did not see it in young, but he looks like he has put it together. He goes really hard. Surprised at his shooting percentages doe. Suppose to be a strength.

The rest of the backcourt has a shooting efficiency like JR Smith. Players probably don't help off him and he should spend a lot of time in the strong corner to help his backcourt mates and Randle get more space in the lanes.

 

[BTP]

Randle, yeah he has some things - turns it over a bit much, hasn't been able to hit the jump shot, probably a bit shorter than we'd all like him to be, can't go right, etc - but the guy is a monster talent, has a motor that won't quit and even if he disappoints in the NBA, he should still get you 10-12 rebs a game.

This description reminds me of how I perceived Thomas Robinson before the draft.

 

[The Midnight]

Haven't watched Smart play live. Just seen the clips.

Anyone have a good comparison? Rose? T Evans? Westbrook? Ronnie Price?

We need to start looking at the 5-8 range, and focusing on that now period.

Of those listed I'd say he's Tyreke. (but with wayyyy more hunger & fight).


Athletic, but not elite. Not a natural PG. Big body. The same inconsistent shot.


With the way the NBA court had been shrinking with increased size and athleticism, any PG that can't hit the 3pt shot consistently to space the floor, to me isn't going to cut it.

 

[Revolution 9]

Of those listed I'd say he's Tyreke. (but with wayyyy more hunger & fight).


Athletic, but not elite. Not a natural PG. Big body. The same inconsistent shot.


With the way the NBA court had been shrinking with increased size and athleticism, any PG that can't hit the 3pt shot consistently to space the floor, to me isn't going to cut it.

Evans look really good early then went into the Abyss. If Smart has a different drive, and work ethic then he could have a better career. I'd like to catch Smart sometime, and see how he plays in a full game. I've heard so much different opinions on the guy. Love him or hate him.

 

[The Midnight]

Evans look really good early then went into the Abyss. If Smart has a different drive, and work ethic then he could have a better career. I'd like to catch Smart sometime, and see how he plays in a full game. I've heard so much different opinions on the guy. Love him or hate him.

I was one of the few here who liked MCW because I could see that it was very easy for him to get to the rim and finish with authority. He plays above the rim. Even if he isn't able to hit the jumper, he has a variety of moves utilising his length, floater of the glass, etc. And on top of that, he is a top distributor - so if all else fail, he could do that.


At the PG position, Smart isn't a passer. He isn't a shooter. He isn't quick. Smart's main offensive move is backing down the opposing team's diminutive PG and laying it up. I don't need that from a PG. He also isn't an above the rim type player (he won't be Westbrook).


No thanks.