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You guys can all keep thinking the Jazz can do no wrong. Fact is they have never won a championship and never will unless they make the commitment to doing so. I've grown up watching the Jazz so I have always been a fan.
My fear is that the management are as delusional as many of you guys. Comparing Derrick Favors to Karl Malone is a joke. John Stockton is my favorite player of all time. Comparing him to any of the Jazz's current players is an insult to him. Trey is very good, let's not get ahead of ourselves though.
 
doubledribble said:
It is always great to have a man who can so clearly see the future of 22-year old players. Of course, I remember how in the mid-1980s the Jazz drafted two 22-year olds in the middle of the draft, since everybody agreed that no way they could turn out to be stars: one not physically gifted point guard with a good demeanor and one offensively challenged PF...
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I have to imagine you have watched actually watched Stock and Malone. So thinking that Trey and Favors are anything like them is a far cry. It's like saying a 63 Corvette is comparable to a 2010 Mustang. They both have fans. Not a bad car but its obvious that one is superior to the other. If you honestly think that Favors and Trey or Alec, Enes, Gordon have a chance to be on that level I've got some obvious bad news for you.
 
nateboz said:
You guys can all keep thinking the Jazz can do no wrong. Fact is they have never won a championship and never will unless they make the commitment to doing so. I've grown up watching the Jazz so I have always been a fan.
My fear is that the management are as delusional as many of you guys. Comparing Derrick Favors to Karl Malone is a joke. John Stockton is my favorite player of all time. Comparing him to any of the Jazz's current players is an insult to him. Trey is very good, let's not get ahead of ourselves though.
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There is no way you could have predicted that either Karl or Stockton would have had the kind of careers they had when they were 22. You're delusional if you think people saw star power in those two at that age.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
There is no way you could have predicted that either Karl or Stockton would have had the kind of careers they had when they were 22. You're delusional if you think people saw star power in those two at that age.
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I doubt it with Stockton. Karl on the other hand I could make a good case. Stockton was just a stud. Hard worker and had an incredible durability.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
There is no way you could have predicted that either Karl or Stockton would have had the kind of careers they had when they were 22. You're delusional if you think people saw star power in those two at that age.
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I doubt it with Stockton. Karl on the other hand I could make a good case. Stockton was just a stud. Hard worker and had an incredible durability.
 
nateboz said:
I doubt it with Stockton. Karl on the other hand I could make a good case. Stockton was just a stud. Hard worker and had an incredible durability.
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So you doubt you could have seen the star power in Stockton at that age yet you are absolutely certain that our current players don't have it at the same age. Do you not see the disconnect in your argument? And BTW, do you know what position Karl was drafted in and what age he was? Do you realize how many teams passed him up? Do you think they did that because they believed he was a can't miss prospect?

You are right that it's unlikely that Kanter will have a career that comes anywhere close to Malone's, but it was also unlikely that Malone would have a career that came anywhere close to Malone. The bottom line is that you can't possibly know nearly as much about the future careers of our current players as you seem to think you do.
 
Even as a rookie Karl was a stud. By his 4th year he was playing at an all star level. Favors Kanter Burks and Hayward are still not.
I'm not saying they never will never be an allstar. I'm saying they aren't perennial all stars. That is what the jazz need. And they most likely need 2 or 3 to win a title.

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nateboz said:
Even as a rookie Karl was a stud. By his 4th year he was playing at an all star level. Favors Kanter Burks and Hayward are still not.
I'm not saying they never will never be an allstar. I'm saying they aren't perennial all stars. That is what the jazz need. And they most likely need 2 or 3 to win a title.

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It would be interesting to see how many minutes he had played compared to our guys.
 
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