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Who's the odd man out?

Which player likely doesn't have a future with the Jazz?

  • Trey Burke

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Alec Burks

    Votes: 11 25.6%

  • Gordon Hayward

    Votes: 10 23.3%

  • Enes Kanter

    Votes: 22 51.2%
  • Total voters
    43
I don't see a place here for Kanter almost regardless of who we draft.
 
I'd be ok with PKM's prediction of drafting Embiid means Favors goes. The first thought that came to mind when drafting Embiid is log jam. We'd have Kanter, Favors, Gobert, and then Embiid. I like all of them. My next thought is where is the offense coming from? That's why Kanter stands out. I still think it's too early to give up on Kanter. I think he's starting to show signs lately. If he continues to improve overall(especially that medium range jumper), he'd fit in with Embiid better than Favors. I still believe Kanter will break out at some point later this season.
 
An Embiid + Favors combo could be somewhat intriguing. I think offensively Embiid can do what Monroe and Cousins do. Get the ball on the elbow, create off the dribble, develop a mid range jumper to be a mismatch for immobile Centers, play the pick and roll, while having the option to get the ball dished in mid range. Would free up the paint for guards and wings.
BUT!!! You need the spacing from your small guys. You really need 3 guys who can hit the 3, at least 1 wing defender that's better than Gordon. So if we can be somewhat like: Hey Boston, wanna have Hayward, Burks and our unprotected 2015 pick for your 2014 pick and a bad contract? Then I'd take that. At the deadline with 50 games under the belt and Celtics at a top3 record(Doubt the C's would do it, even if that's close). If you have a core of Burke, Embiid, Parker, Favors and another good wing defender and at the same time deadly spot up guy(Maybe Dinwiddie) then you have a team that plays fast, unselfish, athletic. Whole package, a lot of national TV.
But if you keep Hayward, draft Embiid. Who is going to be your guy on the wing? I mean Burke and Hayward I don't expect them to ever break down a defender. They can free themselves up in the pick and roll, curl around screens, cut backdoor, whatever. But they can't str8 go 1v1 if your shooters all have a bad day and the paint is clogged. That would be Embiid's responsibility. And I'm not sure I wanna put that weight on his shoulders.
Embiid and Favors would be somewhat the healthy, athletic rich mans Lee+Bogut combo. Or the rich man's Monroe+Drummond.
 
fishonjazz said:
Alec Burks
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Alec Burks can break his own ankle one night, a scoring record for a quarter the next night and the league record for turnovers the 3rd night. I don't want none of that. He can go play D-League or for the Bobcats.
 
I don't think anything is out of the question, even Favors and his contract is moveable. Even Hayward and his jersey sales are replaceable.

We still don't know what DL is going to do, we only got a taste this last summer.

My biggest question is the center position. The jazz have seemingly given up the idea of playing two bigs together--as they have we too with the nba analytics, and have bought in to the stretch 4. (Not a new idea in Jazzland, see Memo as the real reason why Deron & boozer were so successful). But that leaves them with two #3 picks and a promising 7-3 guy who all are competing for very limited minutes. Something has to give.
 
DL just needs to trade away the most redundant position that will give the team the best rate of return. Not signing any of these players would not make sense (when they all have good trade value).

The draft will have a lot to do with what happens. I'd love to see a backcourt of Wiggins or Parker and Hayward.

It doesn't make sense to have this conversation until we know who we are drafting (or at least what draft spot we have).
 
BTP said:
So if we can be somewhat like: Hey Boston, wanna have Hayward, Burks and our unprotected 2015 pick for your 2014 pick and a bad contract? Then I'd take that. At the deadline with 50 games under the belt and Celtics at a top3 record(Doubt the C's would do it, even if that's close).
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You composed a three paragraph post based on Celtics dropping from .400 to under .200, while the other bottom feeders start winning more?


BTP said:
Alec Burks can break his own ankle one night, a scoring record for a quarter the next night and the league record for turnovers the 3rd night. I don't want none of that. He can go play D-League or for the Bobcats.
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Redeemed.
 
How about we don't have an odd man out on the wing. Parker/Wiggins & Hayward, Marvin, Burks can co-exist just fine.

Only spot it will be an issue is if it's a PF/C, in which case Kanter will be sent packing along with picks/Burks/Gobert for a quality piece.
 
BTP said:
Alec Burks can break his own ankle one night, a scoring record for a quarter the next night and the league record for turnovers the 3rd night. I don't want none of that. He can go play D-League or for the Bobcats.
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He is 22 and just getting his first tatse of meaningful minutes

And he has actually gotten pretty consisitent
 
JAZZGASM said:
DL just needs to trade away the most redundant position that will give the team the best rate of return. Not signing any of these players would not make sense (when they all have good trade value).

The draft will have a lot to do with what happens. I'd love to see a backcourt of Wiggins or Parker and Hayward.

It doesn't make sense to have this conversation until we know who we are drafting (or at least what draft spot we have).
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This
 
franklin said:
How about we don't have an odd man out on the wing. Parker/Wiggins & Hayward, Marvin, Burks can co-exist just fine.

Only spot it will be an issue is if it's a PF/C, in which case Kanter will be sent packing along with picks/Burks/Gobert for a quality piece.
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And especially this.

Best case scenario right here
 
If we have Burke, Hayward, Burks, Enes, Favors, and Parker/Wiggins, etc., can the Miller family afford to keep them all?

Next year's salary cap is expected to be 62.1 million. Looking at locking these guys up long term I would project the following

Favors (13m ), Kanter (6-8m for next two seasons, 10+ after) Hayward (11m), Burks (3 and 4.5 for next two years then 7m+) Burke (locked up through 17/18 at 4.5 or less) (draft pick) (5-9m per year over 4 years).

Next year we are looking at 44m for 5 core players. Leaving 18m to the cap for the rest. This is reasonable.

Fast forward a couple years and these five will be making an estimated 53m. If the salary cap doesn't go up, we either have a ****ty bench, pay excise tax or we let someone go.

Based on the next 3 seasons, Kanter, Burke and Burks are a bargain, but that could also make them good trade assets.

I think we have the cap room to keep everyone next year and see how things fit.
 
JAZZGASM said:
If we have Burke, Hayward, Burks, Enes, Favors, and Parker/Wiggins, etc., can the Miller family afford to keep them all?

Next year's salary cap is expected to be 62.1 million. Looking at locking these guys up long term I would project the following

Favors (13m ), Kanter (6-8m for next two seasons, 10+ after) Hayward (11m), Burks (3 and 4.5 for next two years then 7m+) Burke (locked up through 17/18 at 4.5 or less) (draft pick) (5-9m per year over 4 years).

Next year we are looking at 44m for 5 core players. Leaving 18m to the cap for the rest. This is reasonable.

Fast forward a couple years and these five will be making an estimated 53m. If the salary cap doesn't go up, we either have a ****ty bench, pay excise tax or we let someone go.

Based on the next 3 seasons, Kanter, Burke and Burks are a bargain, but that could also make them good trade assets.

I think we have the cap room to keep everyone next year and see how things fit.
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Short run won't be a problem. (BTW, your rookie scale is not correct.)

Best case long run scenario is creating the situation that OKC was in except choosing more wisely. A couple things on the money points -- The Jazz are owned by 1 family that makes money off the Jazz outside of basketball and not an investment group that needs the franchise to turn a profit. They can afford a payroll much higher than the cap, and even to pay LT for a few years. Also, new revenue sharing may up the Jazz' portion received from $5mm to $16mm. If they could afford LT for a year or so before then they can surely afford to go up to at least the LT line without ANY issues now.

In addition to revenue sharing is the LT pool -- they are separate pools. Spending the LT money is tbd each year, and is another potential revenue influx into the Jazz organization, or could be invested to lower league-wide operating costs.
 
Kanter is the only player of the Core5 that have All-Star potential but despite that most people here don't see him as a part of the Jazz future.

Typical Jazz loser mentality.
 
Diamond77 said:
Kanter is the only player of the Core5 that have All-Star potential but despite that most people here don't see him as a part of the Jazz future.

Typical Jazz loser mentality.
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I actually see the potential in every one of the core five to be an all star.

Typical jazz homerism
 
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