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Noah's Ark was round

To be clear, I said I believe in God. I said I believe God steers me at times. I didn't say at all times, and I didn't say I always listen/obey.

One thing is for sure, no one group of religious people or otherwise have an exclusive license to being smug and self-righteous.
 
PKM said:
I said I believe God steers me at times. I didn't say at all times, and I didn't say I always listen/obey.
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God: Occasional source of irrational confidence.

****ing great. Need that dude in my life.
 
PKM said:
Maybe.
I love you, fwiw.
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Just having a little fun. I realize that post may come off as offensive/insulting/disrespectful to some, but (fwiw) it's probably roughly what I'd say in real life too. This is why I generally stay out of religious threads on this board. I'd rather be serious about **** that actually matters (and basketball).
 
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PKM said:
Faith tells me that I am, in fact, being led by God, inspired by the Holy Spirit... that's why.
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Faith tells similar things to Sikhs, Jains, Shia, Sunni, JWs, Mormons, Catholics, etc. Even if faith is right for one of these groups, that makes it very unreliable for all the others. You have faith you are being led by God, but you do not know you are being led by God.
 
GVC said:
Given the frequency of contradictory statements of fact/truth made by people claiming to be led by some god, it strikes me as a terrible source of reliable knowledge. Any omnipotent god would have recognized this long ago, and found a better way to transmit knowledge/truth (you know, like letting people critically examine and analyze the world around them). Any god worth worshiping wouldn't be so concerned about our worship or devotion to small points of doctrine/dogma that are irrelevant to the problems real people/others face today.

Seriously, who the **** cares if Noah's Ark actually existed? What difference does it make?
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Historians, the religious and even some athiests trying to discount the Bible.
 
One Brow said:
Faith tells similar things to Sikhs, Jains, Shia, Sunni, JWs, Mormons, Catholics, etc. Even if faith is right for one of these groups, that makes it very unreliable for all the others. You have faith you are being led by God, but you do not know you are being led by God.
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So basically he has faith. Like he said.
 
One Brow said:
Faith tells similar things to Sikhs, Jains, Shia, Sunni, JWs, Mormons, Catholics, etc. Even if faith is right for one of these groups, that makes it very unreliable for all the others. You have faith you are being led by God, but you do not know you are being led by God.
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In another thread a long time ago I made a similar point about my sister in law. She was a devout anti-mormon, yet she had her own "awakening", which led her to believe, in her words "through the holy spirit" that mormonism was absolutely false and dangerous, but that she was hurting herself and the ones she loved fighting it the way she was. Who was to say that her own spiritual experience didn't come from God, when that is exactly what mormons rely on to say they "know beyond a shadow of a doubt". If Satan is capable of that level of deceit how does one know he is not being deceived with the same experience.

This is where I truly get conflicted, as I have had a few experiences that I can attribute to nothing but a higher power of some kind, yet I also know that the whole "feelings tell me it's true" is so wishy-washy to be nearly unbelievable. If a doctor can probe your brain and give you a shock in just the right place and make you cry and miss your mother or see things how can we trust that particular perception unequivocally.

Yet again, that is the very definition of faith. And so round the circle goes.
 
One Brow said:
Faith tells similar things to Sikhs, Jains, Shia, Sunni, JWs, Mormons, Catholics, etc. Even if faith is right for one of these groups, that makes it very unreliable for all the others. You have faith you are being led by God, but you do not know you are being led by God.
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Much the same way one cannot be atheist, but rather agnostic?
 
One Brow said:
I don't see any point of disagreement between PKM and myself in this thread. His responses seem like non sequiturs to me.
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Pretty much. There exists an element of faith that is foreign (in the religious context) to you and thus throws off any semblance of sequituriousness.
 
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