How many productive players have the jazz lost for nothing in return?

[Hotdog]

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Hack, I know you don't remember it, but just a year ago you said Hayward and George were equal.

Also, your "core" is still a 2nd round playoff team. Timing is off. George is heading toward his Prime, Dwill is already on a sharp decline. Mathews and Milsap are great guys, but personally I'd take at least 4 other current rosters over that one.

Well done, vegas. Hack, it's time to admit that even if the scenario you are proposing would have been a better pathway, you wouldn't have taken it in real time.

oh brother...

When the draft was happening I wanted George. I booed the Hayward pick. As time went on I started to like Hayward. I still do. But George turned out better. I would have picked George, and I would have been right. George was the better pick.

Instead of just trying to cherry pick what bits of information work best for your argument, why dont you post what I said in one of my posts from the thread.

Ive always said that I preferred George but still like Hayward and was surprised how good he turned out. My vote was only used to say Hayward is a good player. But if we want to get down to who Ive always liked better, its George. No question about.

 

[Hotdog]

Burks> Leonard and that's not really tough for me. I think Burks will have a better career..


Hayward> George , but that is tough. I'm just Happy with Hayward because he is really good too. Maybe not as good as George but he is a bad *** in his own right. I like watching a corny *** looking white dude chasing down people and blocking them from behind, Lebron style. I like that he is a lock down defender too. He is a very underrated defender in my opinion.

I wanted George at the draft but I am very happy with Hayward now.

My post from a Hayward/George thread last year.


Ive always said I liked Hayward but wanted George at the draft.

As time as gone on, and things change, (as it always does) Its become more and more clear that George is better.

As the facts change, I reserve the right to change my opinion. George and Hayward's play were closer to equal until now. George keeps growing as a player, while Hayward is stalling.

 

[Stifle Tower]

As the facts change, I reserve the right to change my opinion. George and Hayward's play were closer to equal until now. George keeps growing as a player, while Hayward is stalling.

And I'm sure KOC would probably say the same - at least in private. At the time of the pick, the two were fairly equal. Hayward seemed to have an edge due to his size (SG at SF height) and handles (had been a PG). After the draft George has not only grown as a player, but in stature as well. There's no ? he's the better player. But it's hindsight. Of all the players available at #9, less than half of us wanted George. Congrats that you were in that minority. Only honz, IIRC, wanted Hayward. And the rest of us cast votes for Aldrich, Henry, Babbitt, Patterson, etc.

So yes, lets crucify KOC for missing out on George. At the same time, let's congratulate him for at least getting Hayward instead of the other sub-par players that most of the rest of us wanted.

 

[b_line]

Back, you are nuts. Absolutely no one saw his coming from Paul George. And if you think we should have tried to keep deron, you are nuts. Would you rather have current deron or trey, kanter and favors? At this point, we could trade any of those three for a player better than current deron.

 

[fishonjazz]

And the rest of us cast votes for Aldrich, Henry, Babbitt, Patterson, etc.

whiteside

 

[Hotdog]

Back, you are nuts. Absolutely no one saw his coming from Paul George. And if you think we should have tried to keep deron, you are nuts. Would you rather have current deron or trey, kanter and favors? At this point, we could trade any of those three for a player better than current deron.

Holy ****!!!!

Does anyone on JazzFanz besides Fish and few others actually read the entire post? Or do you just read a few sentences, take what you want out of it, then argue some stupid shet

Next time, try reading. It doesn't hurt. Arguments like this can be avoided in the future.

I already said a million ****ing times that I agreed with the Deron trade at the time because it was all screwed up. Im talking about the god damn time right before that, that would have changed the scenario greatly if certain moves are made.

I swear. People just argue just to argue. A conversation starts up between two people, next thing you know you got 10 people jumping arguing about dumb *** **** out of context.

Do you think it might actually be helpful to know the entire conversation before jumping to conclusions?

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Holy ****!!!!

Does anyone on JazzFanz besides Fish and few others actually read the entire post? Or do you just read a few sentences, take what you want out of it, then argue some stupid shet

Next time, try reading. It doesn't hurt. Arguments like this can be avoided in the future.

I already said a million ****ing times that I agreed with the Deron trade at the time because it was all screwed up. Im talking about the god damn time right before that, that would have changed the scenario greatly if certain moves are made.

I swear. People just argue just to argue. A conversation starts up between two people, next thing you know you got 10 people jumping arguing about dumb *** **** out of context.

Do you think it might actually be helpful to know the entire conversation before jumping to conclusions?

TL; only read first two sentences.

 

[b_line]

Holy ****!!!!

Does anyone on JazzFanz besides Fish and few others actually read the entire post? Or do you just read a few sentences, take what you want out of it, then argue some stupid shet

Next time, try reading. It doesn't hurt. Arguments like this can be avoided in the future.

I already said a million ****ing times that I agreed with the Deron trade at the time because it was all screwed up. Im talking about the god damn time right before that, that would have changed the scenario greatly if certain moves are made.

I swear. People just argue just to argue. A conversation starts up between two people, next thing you know you got 10 people jumping arguing about dumb *** **** out of context.

Do you think it might actually be helpful to know the entire conversation before jumping to conclusions?

I did read the thread... And you kind of seemed pretty crazy in it. What else can we argue about?

All I want to do is argue!!!

Lol. I just have different opinions about the value we got out of our players. I think not trading millsap and Jefferson to preserve the cap space that allowed the gs deal was a good thing.


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Back, you are nuts. Absolutely no one saw his coming from Paul George. And if you think we should have tried to keep deron, you are nuts. Would you rather have current deron or trey, kanter and favors? At this point, we could trade any of those three for a player better than current deron.

NAOS was super-high on Paul George. Even after he was drafted NAOS started several trade threads about PG. Truth.


(NAOS was also super-high on Steph Curry coming out of college. Truth.)

 

[Doublea]

Paul George is overrated tbh.

 

[fishonjazz]

NAOS was super-high on Paul George. Even after he was drafted NAOS started several trade threads about PG. Truth.


(NAOS was also super-high on Steph Curry coming out of college. Truth.)

I only read the first few words and learned that naos is super high

 

[Darkwing Duck]

NAOS was also high on Luke Babbitt, if memory serves.