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But...like really.....how the **** are we gonna get a star?

My point was that not all top-10 talent is alike.

Nope, it isn't. But talent is talent and you need that superstar, which we don't have and the only way we will get it is to draft it, and the most likely place to find it in the draft is in the top 3 picks.
 
We just need to get a player who has the potential for top-20 play.

A Lebron or Durant isn't available. A guy who is consensus top-5 all the time. We can get a guy like an Aldridge, Lillard, Griffin, etc. Someone who doesn't really jump out as being a top 15 guy, but has the potential on any given night to play at that level.

Lillard said when he went to weber state that Utah was a cultural shock. So doubt he ever returns to Utah to live. Griffin I could see and Aldridge I could see but no way is Portland giving up LA or Lillard. Told yall to draft Meyers Leonard. He is athletic and the most important things to Utah fans he is white
 
Lillard said when he went to weber state that Utah was a cultural shock. So doubt he ever returns to Utah to live. Griffin I could see and Aldridge I could see but no way is Portland giving up LA or Lillard. Told yall to draft Meyers Leonard. He is athletic and the most important things to Utah fans he is white


Fresh/unique point of view. Please, tell me more.
 
Lillard said when he went to weber state that Utah was a cultural shock. So doubt he ever returns to Utah to live. Griffin I could see and Aldridge I could see but no way is Portland giving up LA or Lillard. Told yall to draft Meyers Leonard. He is athletic and the most important things to Utah fans he is white
Why those two? Do they ski, enjoy long hikes in the canyons and fishing with Troutbum?

Seriously, the race or religion card is so overplayed. How many months does an NBA season last? And of the 7 months they're playing or in training camp, how much free time do they get? And of that time, a lot is spent on the road or spent traveling to/from.

Players have 5 months to live anywhere they want. I'm sure if a player is so inclined, he can find plenty of activities to suit his tastes in Utah. Maybe some are not as readily accessible as in South Beach, LA, New York, etc., but they're out there. And, ncj, if you've read any other threads on this board you'll see we really don't care if a player is white. Half of us are hoping Hayward gets traded so we have a better chance to get Wiggins. Hmmm....
 
Paul George is no superstar. Yet. You always take big defensive player rather than defensive perimeters but George's offense is enough to make him borderline superstar.

Would Hay-George at wing would be better than Lance-George? I think Hayward is better off the ball player than Lance.
 
Paul George is no superstar. Yet. You always take big defensive player rather than defensive perimeters but George's offense is enough to make him borderline superstar.

Would Hay-George at wing would be better than Lance-George? I think Hayward is better off the ball player than Lance.

If I'm pairing them, I would take Stephenson. Doesn't seem to struggle with pressure as much, better defender, better rebounder, not quite as good of a shooter.

On their own, Hayward > Stephenson, but I like the Stephenson pairing with George more than I would like Hayward with George.
 
If I'm pairing them, I would take Stephenson. Doesn't seem to struggle with pressure as much, better defender, better rebounder, not quite as good of a shooter.

On their own, Hayward > Stephenson, but I like the Stephenson pairing with George more than I would like Hayward with George.

I can see that argument but Hay's shooting and off the ball movement could free up more space for George. For a guy shooting %56 from 2 point land he gets to the line less than Hayward and shoots only %69 from there. I see them equals in defense but Hay has twice the steals Lance has. 0.7 to 1.4. Blocks 0.1 to 0.7 in Hay's favour as well.

I don't think rebounding would matter because George is pretty good rebounder too.
 
I can see that argument but Hay's shooting and off the ball movement could free up more space for George. For a guy shooting %56 from 2 point land he gets to the line less than Hayward and shoots only %69 from there. I see them equals in defense but Hay has twice the steals Lance has. 0.7 to 1.4. Blocks 0.1 to 0.7 in Hay's favour as well.

I don't think rebounding would matter because George is pretty good rebounder too.

Steals and blocks are quite possibly the worst way to analyze defensive efficiency. Plus, having a SG who can average 7 rebounds is a huge advantage for a team, I think you're underestimating how important that is. Hayward is the better outside shooter, but Stephenson appears to be a more efficient scorer IMO. Plus he's shown rapid improvement where Hayward hasn't...or at least he hasn't as much.
 
Steals and blocks are quite possibly the worst way to analyze defensive efficiency. Plus, having a SG who can average 7 rebounds is a huge advantage for a team, I think you're underestimating how important that is. Hayward is the better outside shooter, but Stephenson appears to be a more efficient scorer IMO. Plus he's shown rapid improvement where Hayward hasn't...or at least he hasn't as much.

That is why I haven't said Hayward is better defensively just pointing out stats. Rebounding is definitely a important thing but with George being a great rebounder, having Hibbert and West, though neither of them is an elite rebounder, Lance's rebounding seems more like sharing rebounds. I don't think 1 and a half rebounds are going to make that much of a difference.

Lance sucked balls in his first 2 years. In his 3rd year he turned into a somewhat good role player. This year, he has been phenomenal. Hayward however had more of gradual but slow improvement, he may have time to break out. I am just hoping it is after we sign him to 10-11 deal.
 
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