Utah Denied A Wet Bandit Trade???!!

[Beantown]

This is not about if Marvin Williams is a better basketball player than a late 1st rounder, its about the fact that re-signing Marv hamstrings our team going into the future.

Marv provides negative value going forward both in terms of wasting cap space we will never again have and hurting our draft pick this year.

I would trade Marv yesterday for a bag of potato chips.

I think the difference is your don't value having good guys on the team to help lead and develop the young guys. Marvin isn't that good. But he plays the game right and he's a good guy.

Same thing for John Lucas. He sucks *** but hes a good locker room guy and he's a good example to the younger players.

If you have a roster full of kids you are just setting yourself up for failure.

 

[NCJazz]

Here are some of the guys taken in the second round much less the first.

Believe it or not, you can find some serious talent in the second round. There's the reigning Defensive Player of the Year (Gasol), a future Hall of Famer (Ginobili), a collection of All-Stars (Millsap, Ellis, Boozer and Lewis) and key cogs to championship contenders (Jordan, Stephenson, Scola and Parsons). And that's before we get to really solid players like Goran Dragic, Lou Williams, Amir Johnson, Marcin Gortat, Kyle Korver, Nikola Pekovic and Isaiah Thomas. All of that talent was taken in the second round.

1) Far worse players than Marvan Williams- Sirius
2) The Jazz org hurts our chances- Sirius
3) Trading a YOUNG SOLID vet for garbage at the end of the first round is stupid.
4) Sometimes a good look in the mirror is good for all of us.
5) RASHAD VAUGHN!

 

[One Brow]

If true, it's ****ing retarded; any 1st round pick for Marvin is a good haul. Even if he were traded, the Jazz could sign him as a free agent this summer. Not sure I'm buying this story.

First, who would we have to take back in addition to the pick? Which team with a late first-rounder had the salary to absorb Williams?

Second, Williams is going to be better than almost any late-round pick, if we can keep him.

 

[The Midnight]

I am not a fan of Kanter, but I really would like to see if Favors and Kanter absolutely are incompatiable on the floor at the same time. This means 20-30 games of 30 plus minutes for each. We blew that oppurtunity.

It's hard to admit this but I think they are incompatible:

- Both are back to basket player.

- Both are immobile defensively (can't guard stretch 4's)

- Kanter can't yet shoot the 3's to spread the floor (defense can just pack the paint).



Unless until Kanter can "shape up" and become a much better defender of a stretch 4 type player, or he can hit that 3pt shot ala Okur or Kevin Love, it will be a difficult pair to work night in night out, imo.

 

[Stoked]

"It don't happen?" Yeah - noone has ever re-signed with Utah. 'It don't happen'. Should have traded for that late-first round pick who would have been an MVP all-star, no doubt.

Look up how many times a team has traded away an expiring player and then resigned them that offseason. That is what he is saying.

 

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I think the difference is your don't value having good guys on the team to help lead and develop the young guys. Marvin isn't that good. But he plays the game right and he's a good guy.

Same thing for John Lucas. He sucks *** but hes a good locker room guy and he's a good example to the younger players.

If you have a roster full of kids you are just setting yourself up for failure.

I'll bet you a thousand dollars you'd be singing a different tune if Marv or JL3 were gay.

 

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btw, guys, you think JL3 is gay?

#numbericanpride

 

[Stoked]

btw, guys, you think JL3 is gay?

#numbericanpride

I don't think about it because I don't care.

 

[kabenac]

Look up how many times a team has traded away an expiring player and then resigned them that offseason. That is what he is saying.

If that's what he meant then I agree 100%. I thought he was referring to the fact there's no chance Williams would re-sign with us in free agency. If I misinterpreted I do apologize.

I like Williams. And although it's useful having a guy who can play multiple positions, I agree - he should be playing SF. Physically, he's been getting beaten up by PFs this year.

 

[Deleted member 848]

It's not about Marv being better than a late first-- it's about making a move to secure a higher draft-pick in a season where we won't be making the playoffs, and get some sort of return in the mean-time.


I understand that keeping Marv here for the entire season gives us a better chance of picking him up again in the offseason (as opposed to trading him, then trying to bid for him again)-- but we got to figure out our priorities:


Would we rather have a worse record, and draft a player like Jabari? Or do we want to take a gamble with a 7th-10th pick, and secure a decent stretch-four?


Personally, I see the most glaring hole in our roster being a lack of a consistent scorer, or a player we can build an offense around. Consequently, clearing up cap-space and acquiring more tradable assets while worsening our team record seems to be the solution here.

 

[framer]

If we really want a late first we can just purchase one, no? I'd bet the interest was from San Antonio and we would have had to take something back. Not interested in giving Marvin to San Antonio because Screw Them!

 

[UGLI baby]

It's not about Marv being better than a late first-- it's about making a move to secure a higher draft-pick in a season where we won't be making the playoffs, and get some sort of return in the mean-time.


I understand that keeping Marv here for the entire season gives us a better chance of picking him up again in the offseason (as opposed to trading him, then trying to bid for him again)-- but we got to figure out our priorities:


Would we rather have a worse record, and draft a player like Jabari? Or do we want to take a gamble with a 7th-10th pick, and secure a decent stretch-four?


Personally, I see the most glaring hole in our roster being a lack of a consistent scorer, or a player we can build an offense around. Consequently, clearing up cap-space and acquiring more tradable assets while worsening our team record seems to be the solution here.

WTF?

LAst week you were all "Marv 4 MVP's" on us