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14th Tank Platoon

Ellis269 said:
The last two wins have just killed the tank more than anything so far this season. The Jazz would be sitting pretty solid at the 5th pick and Golden State would only be a half game up on Phoenix for the 8th seed in the West. I hate this season.
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The suns are one of three teams the jazz have beat two times this season. The others being Sacramento and Charlotte. So blast Horny and Big Al for spoiling it.

Also, the Jazz haven't helped themselves at all by losing to GS three times.
 
mellow said:
The suns are one of three teams the jazz have beat two times this season. The others being Sacramento and Charlotte. So blast Horny and Big Al for spoiling it.

Also, the Jazz haven't helped themselves at all by losing to GS three times.
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Well, yes...and no. Better for our tank, worse for the GS pick.

I'm seriously worried about Utah finishing with a better record than all the crappy teams including Denver. Utah has slipped to 8th with New Orleans, Detroit and Denver fading fast; Number 12 pick here we come!!! :mad:
 
KOC's strategy of developing a competitive team and drafting lottery players with other teams' picks--NY, NJ, GSW--isn't a bad strategy. Those just weren't good drafts. We basically got Kanter instead of Parker or Wiggins.

You look at our young 5, and they're all lottery picks, just not superstars.

Burke (9)
Burks (12)
Hayward (9)
Kanter (3)
Favors (3)
 
Catchall said:
KOC's strategy of developing a competitive team and drafting lottery players with other teams' picks--NY, NJ, GSW--isn't a bad strategy. Those just weren't good drafts. We basically got Kanter instead of Parker or Wiggins.

You look at our young 5, and they're all lottery picks, just not superstars.

Burke (9)
Burks (12)
Hayward (9)
Kanter (3)
Favors (3)
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Yep, unfortunately we've had high picks in a couple of very shallow drafts. Obviously, Hayward instead of George was a mistake. Indiana got a home run, but at least KOC avoided the complete busts that surrounded those picks (and which many on this board wanted). And the Kanter class was devoid of stars except the #1 pick. The argument was pretty much Valanciunas, Kanter or Knight, IIRC. Valanciunas vs. Kanter is pretty much a wash; both have comparable stats this season (12/6 vs. 10/9). Knight has disappointed. Guess you could argue Utah could have taken one of the other "K's": Kemba, Kawahi or Klay. None were rated top-5 so the boo-birds on this board would have called for KOC's head had he drafted one of those guys with the #3 pick.

I'd say Burks at #12 was a pretty good pick ahead of the Morris'. A few other selections were solid after that, but a good choice by KOC at that spot.
 
Catchall said:
KOC's strategy of developing a competitive team and drafting lottery players with other teams' picks--NY, NJ, GSW--isn't a bad strategy. Those just weren't good drafts. We basically got Kanter instead of Parker or Wiggins.

You look at our young 5, and they're all lottery picks, just not superstars.

Burke (9)
Burks (12)
Hayward (9)
Kanter (3)
Favors (3)
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Agreed, he over achieved on all of them. Even Kanter when you look at the busts drafted around him (Biyombo, Vesely, Williams). However he has also had the misfortune of not drafting one breakout player. If 4 had become busts and one a superstar, you probably take that option instead. Because you then have a clear plan on how to build your team, what your strengths and weaknesses are, what position to draft, who to target in FA, etc. The Jazz direction is unclear right now.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Agreed, he over achieved on all of them. Even Kanter when you look at the busts drafted around him (Biyombo, Vesely, Williams). However he has also had the misfortune of not drafting one breakout player. If 4 had become busts and one a superstar, you probably take that option instead. Because you then have a clear plan on how to build your team, what your strengths and weaknesses are, what position to draft, who to target in FA, etc. The Jazz direction is unclear right now.
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If you draft 4 busts and 1 potential star then you have Cleveland...And look at their front office and how they're trying to develop a new plan that keeps Kyrie in town longer than 2017.
The part is, how do the Jazz go from here in case the ping pong balls aren't in their favor? Are they going to be the Hawks for an extended period, making 6 consecutive playoffs but advancing to the 2nd round only once?
Or are they giving the project another 2 years for a chance to have a franchise player emerge from their own ranks or get them via trade/FA? If that doesn't happen I hope FO decides it's best to sell all the talent for good draft picks in their prime with at least 2 contract years left and then rebuild more aggressively by bottoming out for at least 2 years but with significant young players whose development makes a visit to the arena worthwhile. Will be interesting to see what their approach is. I have a hard time respecting a cheap owner in a closed system like the NBA that distributes talent not by reputation.
 
The tank is bacl!

Wow! I shut down my computer at work at the end of the first when the Jazz appeared to be cruising. Turn on the TV and they're down 14. Wish NY could have played better against GS, but you can't have everything. Maybe Jazz can bring this season home at 7-8 worst instead of falling behind even more teams.
 
New York ****ing scares me. They are so bad and have nothing to lose for. They are just losing because they are that depressing.
 
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