♪alt13
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Are you making a states rights argument? Why are you arguing on behalf of something you don't believe in? It didn't sound like that was your original position.
Another victim of no bad breeds mentality
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Are you making a states rights argument? Why are you arguing on behalf of something you don't believe in? It didn't sound like that was your original position.
That's all he does. Hahaha.
It's the curse of having the intelligence it takes to think twice, and notice there's a difference in the result. "Believing" becomes obviously insufficient to the process of thinking.
Don't get me wrong, I think Franklin* is very smart. I also think he argues from positions he does not believe in all the time.
Wut?
Don't get me wrong. I think growing up involves taking ground that doesn't start with "I know. . .", or end "in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen." Usually, folks will have to listen to the idea and see if it has some value, rather than automatically "feel good" you brought it out. . . ., and it might not be easy to "box", or dispose of. . . . .
And even seeing that, it sometimes seems pretty good to me to see someone working out on the CFR ropes, or the Republican or Democratic platform statements as well, because sometimes you just need some kind of predictable discussion as well. . . .
all that said, I know Franklin makes the effort to ride the edge and come up with something original, or valuable, and I might have some issues with the specifics, but I love that spirit. . . .
Fair enough. For me it just takes away any desire to engage him on anything.
New ideas, thoughts, viewpoints...are all great and should be shared and listened to. Just hard for me to pay much attention when that's not the point behind doing so. I prefer some genuine insights.
Maybe I am dead wrong but I just don't get that from Franklin like I do you. Hell I even get that feeling from One Brow. He at least believes what he is saying.
Our founding fathers were representing state interests in securing an effective federal administration capable of presenting a united and credible front in international affairs. It is amazing that they invoked principles of the sort they did, which even allows for more local government to have any significant power. But the idea that government should belong to the governed, at whatever level of organization, is the most essential idea our human hopes depend upon for our future of liberty and actual relevance in our world. It is the idea that will save us from fascist globalism and corporatism, perhaps. Walmart and other "Big Box" retailers, and the Agenda 21 morons, have corrupted our local governments and made them into cookie-cutter stamps of conformity with no accountability to their own citizens, but a simple revolution can change all that in a single election, if the idea of government of the people, by the people, and for the people is injected into the local elections. . . . .
So lets go for more local government, and get as much power distributed to them as we possibly can.
One thing I've learned from keeping chickens is you have got to keep them close enough you will hear them squawk when the coyotes or wolves get in the coop. Government servants are just as stupid as chickens, but if they're close enough you can hear the disturbance when "the interests" are messing with them, you can do something about it. . . . .
hahahahaha.
you young bucks have issues and horns, but sometimes when you get older you learn to just leave well enough alone. . . . Franklin can be hard on me sometimes, too. I just accept that's his way. . . .
putting a positive spin on something you can't change is a trick of the mind, perhaps, but it can make your day seem better. . . . .
I don't do that for OB, of course. Every good idea has some limits. In the case of OB, it's just too compelling to have a sort of foil to run against when someone seems to represent the whole problem you see with mankind. . . . a virtual illustration of every issue you care to prattle on about. . . . .
Amazing to see OB's pluck for carrying on like I'm his ideal foil, as well. . . . .
But my main point here was to cheer for Franklin's comment that local government should be the "go to" level for as many of our governance needs as we can possibly contrive to dump in their laps, and the big bad State government has all the proclivities, in their own scale, as the Federal government does. . . . .
The big bad world governance corporatists/fascists have a slogan. . . . "Think globally. Act locally" . . . . and they are acting to take over every local government even more effectively than they can control State, national, or regional governance. . . . . And that is where the battle will really happen. . . . .
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That right there is where we differ. You think it is his way and I think it is his act. But it's all good. He has as much right to post what he wants as you and I do.
To me what is more interesting is at what point/level does the wishes of a society trump the wishes of an individual person.
Let's say that banning pitbulls is a good idea. Should it be done nationally? state by state? COunty by county or at the individual city and town levels?
Why should people in MA ot TX decide what kind of dog a person in FL or AZ can have? Or people in LA decide what kind of dog a person in Fresno can have?
Let's say that banning pitbulls is a good idea. Should it be done nationally? state by state? COunty by county or at the individual city and town levels?
Why should people in MA ot TX decide what kind of dog a person in FL or AZ can have? Or people in LA decide what kind of dog a person in Fresno can have?