Following potential 2014 draftees

[cowhide]

How about we draft Parker for offense and hope for WCS with the 2nd pick for help d?

What is the status of WCS? I like him with our second 1st rounder. I still would rather have Wiggins over Parker but I would be fine with your suggestion.

 

[fishonjazz]

How do you explain your love of Alec Burks then?
Because he does both horrible decisions on offense and plays no D.

Burks understands that he is not a great shooter so he doesn't chuck up ill advised jumpers like CJ and James young. Burks only shoots from the outside when he is open (and is pretty decent because of that).

Burks is a much better finisher than either of them, and much better at getting to the line. Better passer, and rebounder than both of them too.

 

[BTP]

How about we draft Parker for offense and hope for WCS with the 2nd pick for help d?

Where would that leave Favors and Kanter? And Gobert?
I was under the impression that you also thought Parker would start as PF and if he'd be quick enough for that he'd get some burn as SF to find out if he can defend the wings at all.

 

[Dr. Jones]

What is the status of WCS? I like him with our second 1st rounder. I still would rather have Wiggins over Parker but I would be fine with your suggestion.

Agree... I'm assuming Wiggins an impossibility. Having said that, Wiggins is maybe more of a possibility than Parker (ping pong balls).
WCS just has a stress fracture. Theyre saying he could possibly be back within a week... though I doubt Cal would play him.
I've been very impressed with not only his post defense (tons of blks) but also his ability to guard the hot hand on the perimeter. His combo of length and lateral quickness has been making sure the guy he's guarding RARELY even gets a shot off. Would be very interesting to see a 7 footer defending the perimeter with another defensive guy patrolling the paint.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Where would that leave Favors and Kanter? And Gobert?
I was under the impression that you also thought Parker would start as PF and if he'd be quick enough for that he'd get some burn as SF to find out if he can defend the wings at all.

I'd move Kanter.
I am certain Parker cannot defend SF'S.

 

[BTP]

Burks understands that he is not a great shooter so he doesn't chuck up ill advised jumpers like CJ and James young. Burks only shoots from the outside when he is open (and is pretty decent because of that).

Burks is a much better finisher than either of them, and much better at getting to the line. Better passer, and rebounder than both of them too.

I do not agree with you. 33% from three is equal to 50% from two and Burks isn't particularly efficient with his mid range pull up tendency.
Also 33% on 6 trys per game on a 40% overall pct Is heavily influencing that and his 2 point shooting way higher depending on how many he takes.
I just hope the next Jazz coach will hold Alec responsible for his defensive effort. This way he'll either go out flaming or gain real value!

 

[fishonjazz]

I do not agree with you.

Of course you dont.... thats a given.
Its well documented that you dont like burks game. Move along

 

[BTP]

I'd move Kanter.
I am certain Parker cannot defend SF'S.

So you'd want Favors as starting Center and Parker as PF ? With WCS playing C and Favors/Parker PF when he'S in the game?
I see your angle. But I simply dislike having 2 bigs in a minute heavy 3 big roation that basically have no value on offense than rolling to the basket, converting others misses and running the floor in transition?
I'd much rather complement Favors + Parker with a potential two way player and have Gobert as a twin tower setup guy. Move Parker to SF for a shorter stretch when he guards a player that is neither a ball handler, nor involved in PnRs and only plays weakside where Parker can play easy 2.9 help rotations.

 

[Dr. Jones]

So you'd want Favors as starting Center and Parker as PF ? With WCS playing C and Favors/Parker PF when he'S in the game?
I see your angle. But I simply dislike having 2 bigs in a minute heavy 3 big roation that basically have no value on offense than rolling to the basket, converting others misses and running the floor in transition?
I'd much rather complement Favors + Parker with a potential two way player and have Gobert as a twin tower setup guy. Move Parker to SF for a shorter stretch when he guards a player that is neither a ball handler, nor involved in PnRs and only plays weakside where Parker can play easy 2.9 help rotations.

I'm sure you'll know what I mean here..

The casual fan sees a lineup and gets blinders on how those five would fare for 48 minutes. That's not what I am talking about. It depends on matchups and mixing things up throughout a game. There would be spot minutes I could see Favors, WCS, and Parker in the game for rebounding and a loooong zone defense.

Something Calipari has done in this tourney (that I have loved) is totally mix it up and keep the other team guessing. He's gone huge and played zone, he's played small ball, and he feels things out until it starts clicking against the team we're playing.

I, of course, could see Parker, WCS, and Favors getting killed in transition.. but I am only talking situational (and WCS will be cheap enough to afford that luxury for a while.

 

[BTP]

I'm sure you'll know what I mean here..

The casual fan sees a lineup and gets blinders on how those five would fare for 48 minutes. That's not what I am talking about. It depends on matchups and mixing things up throughout a game. There would be spot minutes I could see Favors, WCS, and Parker in the game for rebounding and a loooong zone defense.

Something Calipari has done in this tourney (that I have loved) is totally mix it up and keep the other team guessing. He's gone huge and played zone, he's played small ball, and he feels things out until it starts clicking against the team we're playing.

I, of course, could see Parker, WCS, and Favors getting killed in transition.. but I am only talking situational (and WCS will be cheap enough to afford that luxury for a while.

Ya I just wanted to know what role you see GObert and WCS taking long term?
I mean when you have both Favors and Parker playing 36 min a game not a lot of minutes are left for WCS.
For 1 year I'd envision him being okay with traveling back and forth between Utah and a D-League team but long term he'd want more minutes. Same for Gobert.
Do you think these players will be happy to play sth like 12 min a game each as a pro on a min contract? I don't know. I think as long as they are young they'll want to maximize their potential and not be good soldiers only. Don't see that really happening when you've got Favors and Parker in front of you.
Just like everyone here was hoping for Kanter and Favors to get a chance behind Jeffercat and Millsap.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Ya I just wanted to know what role you see GObert and WCS taking long term?
I mean when you have both Favors and Parker playing 36 min a game not a lot of minutes are left for WCS.
For 1 year I'd envision him being okay with traveling back and forth between Utah and a D-League team but long term he'd want more minutes. Same for Gobert.
Do you think these players will be happy to play sth like 12 min a game each as a pro on a min contract? I don't know. I think as long as they are young they'll want to maximize their potential and not be good soldiers only. Don't see that really happening when you've got Favors and Parker in front of you.
Just like everyone here was hoping for Kanter and Favors to get a chance behind Jeffercat and Millsap.

I'm just not sold on Favors being a contender at either offense or defense. He's barely okay on offense and very good, but not elite, on defense. Is that good enough to anchor a contending team? I'm depressed. lol

 

[BTP]

Of course you dont.... thats a given.
Its well documented that you dont like burks game. Move along

Well I just wondered because I thought that was an inconsistency in the way you judge players. I mean you know I respect your opinion and I ain't Cy who can't have a draw and agree to disagree.
I just wondered because I see two players who have certain similarities(not saying everything, but e.g. decision making, willingness to defend when having some tools and shot selection to name some) and you love one, blast the other. That's what I found weird.
Just like I am very down on Burks potential and like Young the opposite way. But I say I like Young's potential, not what he is today.
Plus I don't understand his shot selection and if it's Cal's will to force up 3s in order to free up Randle inside or if it's Young highjacking plays with a very weird shot selection. Will be interested in how he plays his rookie year. I hope he doesn't go full McLemore.