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What type of asset is Hayward?

PointGod_AlecBurks said:
see Nic Batum's 50 million dollar offer-sheet from the Timberwolves
and Eric Gordon's 58 million dollar offer-sheet from the Suns

the jazz arent going to let him walk, you dont rebuild through the draft, clear the salary cap, and let your 23 year old leading scorer leave over a few million dollars...

after the Trailblazers matched the offer on Batum its said Minnesota offered 2 1st rounders and a veteran SF.

id bet DL is holding out for something like that. i also suspect Hayward gets moved at the draft, he has enough value to help us maneuver

Haywards intentions will be transparent come the Moratorium period, if he pulls the Eric Gordon money grab its bad, but its not like that $$ was going to somewhere better this offseason, plus he'd still trade-able at an inflated price
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Boston.

Hayward has played well there, Boston has many assets thanks to Brooklyn and there is the whole coach connection. And Danny Ainge has been telling anyone that will listen that he believes this is a weak draft class-- is he setting up his fans so that they don't riot when he trades Boston's pick?
 
green said:
This is my initial reaction as well, but I think I disagree. If you are Lindsay, and you are hoping Parker or Wiggins or Embiid pan out to be great, then Hayward fits very nicely next to them and you can get back to the playoffs next year.

The problem is, those guys haven't progressed as much as you would like them to. So, they aren't as good as you thought they would be.

That changes everything. If you get Wiggins or Parker, can you make the playoffs with Hayward? Probably not. So, if you are going to be a lottery team again next year anyways, is it worth overpaying for Hayward, when all he will do is get you the #9 pick instead of the #5 pick, and clog up your cap room?

I don't think it is. In hindsight, you trade Hayward at the deadline. BUT, I don't fault them for not trading Hayward either.

The biggest problem is now we probably lose Hayward for nothing or we overpay him and risk not being able to trade him later on as he ends up on all the "Most Overpaid Players" lists, and Simmons' "Overpaid Role Player" lists.
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My point is if Lindsey has no intentions of keeping Hayward he has put himself in a less favorable position letting Hayward get to RFA. Some teams that may have been willing to trade valuable assets for the rights to match any offer for Gordon now may think it just makes more sense to make a big offer and keep their other assets. They'll do something similar with Houston did with Asik and Lin or what Phoenix did with an player option with Eric Gordon to make it difficult for the Jazz to match.
 
If Boston believes that Hayward will sign with them for a reasonable amount then they have to trade for him. Because if they offer him a reasonable contract as a RFA, the jazz will match.
 
Before the last bargaining agreement, you could sign and trade an asset like Hayward. I heard that it is more difficult under the new agreement, but it is still possible.
 
The Thriller said:
Why would anyone trade for him? If they really wanted him couldn't they just sign him?
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He is a RESTRICTED free agent. Meaning any and all offers can be matched by the Jazz. So other teams can sign him to an offer sheet but the Jazz are likely to match and keep him.
 
mellow said:
Boston.

Hayward has played well there, Boston has many assets thanks to Brooklyn and there is the whole coach connection. And Danny Ainge has been telling anyone that will listen that he believes this is a weak draft class-- is he setting up his fans so that they don't riot when he trades Boston's pick?
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Boston is interesting. They currently have:

2014 - their own pick, Brooklyn's pick,
2015 - LAC pick (unprotected), their own pick
2016 - Brooklyn's pick (unprotected) and their own pick
2017 - Brooklyn's pick (unprotected) or their own pick (Boston gets to choose)
2018 - Brooklyn's pick (unprotected) and their own pick

plus a ton of second rounders.

They also have:

Rondo and Avery Bradley they could trade.

So, if they decided to build around the draft, but not with young players, as Ainge did before, could they turn those picks into Love and Hayward?

Let's say they move Rondo, Avery Bradley, Brooklyn's pick this year and a bunch of second rounders for Kevin Love.

Then they move 2015 LAC pick and 2018 Brooklyn's pick for Hayward.

Now, they look like this:

PG - Exum
SG - Hayward
SF - Green
PF - Love
C - Sullinger

Would that be something you'd consider?

How about Utah and Minnesota? They would probably have to move Green and/or Wallace somewhere along the way, but if they did that, they could afford a max guy. Would that be enough to get LeBron?

Exum
Hayward
LeBron/Carmello
Love
Sullinger

That's a pretty dang good team.
 
b_line said:
He is a RESTRICTED free agent. Meaning any and all offers can be matched by the Jazz. So other teams can sign him to an offer sheet but the Jazz are likely to match and keep him.
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Likely?

I wouldn't say that.

It depends greatly on where and who we draft and where and what he signs for.

I actually don't think the Jazz's front office is all obsessed with Hayward. DL wasn't the guy who drafted him. And let's face it, Hayward hasn't done himself any favors this year.

If a team offers him decent money then I say let him walk. Quite honestly, I don't think he figures into things much anymore. We need to either completely reconstruct our front line or he needs to freaking develop a consistent 3 point shot. Favors and Kanter can't work down low if our SF can't shoot consistently enough to keep defenses honest.

Or did we learn nothing from the Kirlenko/Brewer experiment?

The obsession with Hayward on this board is remarkable. Just because he looks like a Mormon doesn't mean he's a key piece. If anything, out of the c5, he is the most expendable. We can easily replace a soft athletic 3 who can't shoot with many other players. Or hell, just resign Marvin and start Alec at the 2 and start Enes & Favors at the 4 and 5.

That alone would be an upgrade over our current starting 5.
 
green said:
Boston is interesting. They currently have:

2014 - their own pick, Brooklyn's pick,
2015 - LAC pick (unprotected), their own pick
2016 - Brooklyn's pick (unprotected) and their own pick
2017 - Brooklyn's pick (unprotected) or their own pick (Boston gets to choose)
2018 - Brooklyn's pick (unprotected) and their own pick

plus a ton of second rounders.

They also have:

Rondo and Avery Bradley they could trade.

So, if they decided to build around the draft, but not with young players, as Ainge did before, could they turn those picks into Love and Hayward?

Let's say they move Rondo, Avery Bradley, Brooklyn's pick this year and a bunch of second rounders for Kevin Love.

Then they move 2015 LAC pick and 2018 Brooklyn's pick for Hayward.

Now, they look like this:

PG - Exum
SG - Hayward
SF - Green
PF - Love
C - Sullinger

Would that be something you'd consider?

How about Utah and Minnesota? They would probably have to move Green and/or Wallace somewhere along the way, but if they did that, they could afford a max guy. Would that be enough to get LeBron?

Exum
Hayward
LeBron/Carmello
Love
Sullinger

That's a pretty dang good team.
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That's why we love green, he loves to think huge. Ain't no way Bron is going to Boston with a young coach and a young team, even if they get Kevin Love and Hayward.
 
The Thriller said:
Likely?

I wouldn't say that.

It depends greatly on where and who we draft and where and what he signs for.

I actually don't think the Jazz's front office is all obsessed with Hayward. DL wasn't the guy who drafted him. And let's face it, Hayward hasn't done himself any favors this year.

If a team offers him decent money then I say let him walk. Quite honestly, I don't think he figures into things much anymore. We need to either completely reconstruct our front line or he needs to freaking develop a consistent 3 point shot. Favors and Kanter can't work down low if our SF can't shoot consistently enough to keep defenses honest.

Or did we learn nothing from the Kirlenko/Brewer experiment?

The obsession with Hayward on this board is remarkable. Just because he looks like a Mormon doesn't mean he's a key piece. If anything, out of the c5, he is the most expendable. We can easily replace a soft athletic 3 who can't shoot with many other players. Or hell, just resign Marvin and start Alec at the 2 and start Enes & Favors at the 4 and 5.

That alone would be an upgrade over our current starting 5.
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So you think Hayward is our SF? Do you watch games? Also, if they let him walk, who are they going to replace him with? You don't spend four years on a player and just let them walk. If anything, they are going to do a sign and trade with whatever team offers him the max for a pretty good haul. There are really not many players in free agency this year, and not a lot of them are as good as Hayward, let alone as young.
 
So will Jazz offer him a contract and then he's free to hear other deals from teams? Then he choses which one he likes and we can match?
 
Doublea said:
So will Jazz offer him a contract and then he's free to hear other deals from teams? Then he choses which one he likes and we can match?
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Jazz will sign the qualifying offer and then wait for someone to offer him a contract, setting the market, then they will match it. I think they will match anything he is offered.
 
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