What type of asset is Hayward?

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Yes. Thank you capt obvious for repeating exactly what we all know.

Yet, you post as if you are completely ignorant of it.

 

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I did that once.


Regarding Hayward, I don't know what to make of him. This jazz team is a mess. A coach that is dead man walking, burks and Hayward play the same position, Favors and Enes play the same position both have limitations and flaws. Trey is overmatched every single night and I'm starting to believe that the spurs master plan was send little Cyphers as GMs and coaches into the NBA to promote tanking and rebuilding in hopes of gaining three more years for the spurs to contend.

dude, I really think there are minutes for both Hayward and Burks, even if they're on the floor together for the majority of their respective minutes.

 

[fishonjazz]

Let's just assume for a minute that last offseason's reported extension of 4yrs/$40million was very close to actual market value for Hayward. How many people here actually think he's played well enough this year to move that figure up? I don't think he has. I think it's still about right.

But, some might say that the market behaves erratically. For example, maybe someone comes with an aggressive/inflated offer to steal Hayward away or cripple us with a large contract. That might happen, but it still leaves DL with S&T options.

I just don't think this is a very difficult situation to manage: Hayward is a good piece at around 10M; we are in the driver's seat due to RFA regulations; we have some depth at Hay's position; etc.

I still feel the same about hayward now as i did at the start of this season.

8 million per would be a steal.
10 million per would be what he should get.
12 million would be overpaying but i wouldnt be too upset if they matched a 12 million. A little upset but not too much.

Anything over 12 million wouod be retarded to match

 

[fishonjazz]

dude, I really think there are minutes for both Hayward and Burks, even if they're on the floor together for the majority of their respective minutes.

I agree.
This jefferson starting EVERY ****ING GAME expiriment is a travesty

 

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I still feel the same about hayward now as i did at the start of this season.

8 million per would be a steal.
10 million per would be what he should get.
12 million would be overpaying but i wouldnt be too upset if they matched a 12 million. A little upset but not too much.

Anything over 12 million wouod be retarded to match

I'd be leery at 10 million as well.

If my goal next season is to make the playoffs, I pay Hayward 10 million. If my goal is get another high draft pick, I let Hayward walk.

 

[Jazz4ever]

I still feel the same about hayward now as i did at the start of this season.

8 million per would be a steal.
10 million per would be what he should get.
12 million would be overpaying but i wouldnt be too upset if they matched a 12 million. A little upset but not too much.

Anything over 12 million wouod be retarded to match

This. DL has said several times Hayward will be back regardless of ANY offer. But actually think he does balk at a max offer. 12 million would easily be matched. The only way its not is if we get Wiggins. Case closed.

 

[cowhide]

If DL has no plans of keeping Hayward then he has made an error in judgment not trading Gordon away during the season.

This.

 

[cowhide]

First of all, the exact same was said in 04. I was on this board when folks admitted that AK47 wasn't that great but said that there just wasn't anybody as good/as young. That was a huge mistake.

Where did Wes Matthews come from? Where did Paul Millsap come from? Where did Paul George come from?

There are plenty of good SF/SGs to be had. We could draft in the mid first round and find a player better than Hayward. The boy from Michigan and the Young from UK for starters. I think Early could be in that discussion as well.

The point is, Hayward is extremely replaceable. SVG's comments were a great barometer for Hayward's value no matter what the Hayward homers on this board think. Of course, there will always be some retarded franchise out there willing to shell out too much money for his services. I just hope that franchise isn't us.

Finally, draft picks are gold. You can't just trade Hayward away for a 1st rounder. And, Hayward's game no longer fits this team. We have 2 low post bigs. We need to surround them with shooters. If we want to keep Hayward then we need to unload either Favors or kanter. That's the truth. Burks you keep, he is the 1 player on this team who can create, score, and get to the line. Sorry Hayward homers, your boy doesn't do that

Cry me a river, bash me, flame me, just as you did 10 years ago ago. I've seen more Bball that you've dreamed and know a thing or two about this sport.

I wouldn't pay Hayward more than 8 million a year. I agree he is expendable and replaceable. I thought the Jazz should have traded him once he declined the offer. They probably could have gotten a higher pick for him. I would trade Hayward for Avery and one of Boston's 1st round picks. Avery has developed a nice outside shot and he is a very good defender. I think Avery is going to get around $5-6 million a year. The only problem with Avery is he plays the same position as Burks but there are still plenty of minutes for him. I just hope the Jazz don't overpay for Hayward. I think $10 million is too much but if an offer of $12 million comes in I would just laugh and say nice knowing you Gordon.

I am ready for Burke to run the show instead of Hayward being the point forward. Personally I believe that is a major reason why he has struggle.

 

[cowhide]

This. DL has said several times Hayward will be back regardless of ANY offer. But actually think he does balk at a max offer. 12 million would easily be matched. The only way its not is if we get Wiggins. Case closed.

I will be shocked if he gets a $12 million contract and very PISSED if the Jazz match. Seriously, you have to be pretty dumb GM to think that you can't replace Gordon for less than 12 million.

 

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If DL has no plans of keeping Hayward then he has made an error in judgment not trading Gordon away during the season.

This.

So, if you were DL, you would have jumped into the same fray that saw Evan Turner get dealt for a second-round pick? Firesales have a way of ****ing things up.

 

[Stifle Tower]

It would make sense for a team to trade for Hayward if they were high enough on him. The Jazz always can match any offer. That team would likely already agree in terms with Gordon about a deal.

Yes. And once an offer is made and matched, he cannot be dealt to that same team. So unless the team is ABSOLUTELY certain Utah would not match - and that likely means vastly overpaying since there really isn't a poison pill a team could put in (like Houston did with Lin), a trade is really the only option.

 

[b_line]

Gross.

Use $40 million for a real player who actually helps you.

Use the GS pick on mich's Larry bird. Or Young. Or Early.

Let Hayward walk unless he's willing to become the 6th man. He just doesn't shoot well enough or create to warrant a new contract and starter role. Burks should have been given Hayward's minutes.

So.... Burks should have played like 60 minutes per game?