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Hantlers

Hantlers

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So I think by now all of us have realized that Ty isn't going to be our coach next year. It seems like a lot of us seem optimistic regarding the new hiring, and I'm just curious towards why.

Personally, I'm not. We had what seems to be one of the best coaches in the league on our staff, and either didn't recognize it, or didn't hire him out of stubbornness or obligation towards Corbin. I'm not sure whether this was more Linsey's decision, or the Millers, but honestly…I'm just not very optimistic towards their next hire because of this. Hopefully they can prove me wrong, but I feel like we'll get an uninspired hire like Alex Jensen.
 
Hantlers said:
So I think by now all of us have realized that Ty isn't going to be our coach next year. It seems like a lot of us seem optimistic regarding the new hiring, and I'm just curious towards why.

Personally, I'm not. We had what seems to be one of the best coaches in the league on our staff, and either didn't recognize it, or didn't hire him out of stubbornness or obligation towards Corbin. I'm not sure whether this was more Linsey's decision, or the Millers, but honestly…I'm just not very optimistic towards their next hire because of this. Hopefully they can prove me wrong, but I feel like we'll get an uninspired hire like Alex Jensen.
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It's because Lindsay already knows who the next coach is.

My money is on Langabardi.

Longabardi knows defense. Worked under Doc Rivers, now has a terrible PHX team, talent wise, playing great defense, everyone loves him, is a "new age" guy with stats and the such.
 
Whomever the Jazz hire, they need to make a clean break from the long shadow of Jerry Sloan. I think that Ty is still attached to certain philosophies that Jerry had. Especially around the vet love and preset game substitution patterns. Time to make a clean break.
 
I'm optimistic becasue it is in my nature to be. I have nothing to base this on.
 
I'm cynical because the world made me this way. I have nothing to base it on.

So regarding sojo's comment, about the jazz needing a clean break from Jerry Sloan...Brad Jones.
 
sojodave said:
Whomever the Jazz hire, they need to make a clean break from the long shadow of Jerry Sloan. I think that Ty is still attached to certain philosophies that Jerry had. Especially around the vet love and preset game substitution patterns. Time to make a clean break.
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This is why I'm so on board with Longabardi. He seems like the perfect coach. He was the defensive coach for Rivers, when Boston was so great and top 10 defensively. He understands the new metrics and where the game is headed. He is there in Phoenix, where Horny's offense is the future (ie, You have 2-3 ball handlers who can get into the lane, and 2-3 guys who can camp out on the three point line and hit the three, all while the offense is very, very heavy Pick and Roll). He has the pedigree, he has the results, he has the future forward thinking, etc. He worked with Lindsay in Houston. He looks to be the next Thibbs on paper.

Longabardi makes too much sense.
 
seriously we HAD HORNY!

yet we went with CRAPBAIN.

sick and tired of the state of utah jazz.


wouldnt care if core5 started and all played 36 mpg.
and we wen 0-82.

these 20+ wins are tehe most meaningless wins ever.
 
I am not convinced that Ty will aways be a bad coach. I just think in this situation, with the history with the jazz, it didn't work out. Honestly, he had a very similar situation to sloans first stint as a head coach with the bulls, where he had lots of history with the organization, and failed as a coach the first time around. I think Ty is a smart guy, but what he was trying to do with the jazz right now didn't work. I would be the will go somewhere and be a decent coach in a few years.

As far as the coaching situation for the future of the jazz, I think we will still have some growing pains, as we will probably hire a young coach on his first coaching contract. Personally, I don't like the new coach to be hired from the current staff, but I would not be totally against Alex Jensen. Just not my first pick. So, hantlers, I am with you on not being super optimistic about the new coach. Hopefully the stars align, and we get the right guy at the right time in his career, and the right time for the organization.
 
b_line said:
I am not convinced that Ty will aways be a bad coach. I just think in this situation, with the history with the jazz, it didn't work out. Honestly, he had a very similar situation to sloans first stint as a head coach with the bulls, where he had lots of history with the organization, and failed as a coach the first time around. I think Ty is a smart guy, but what he was trying to do with the jazz right now didn't work. I would be the will go somewhere and be a decent coach in a few years.

As far as the coaching situation for the future of the jazz, I think we will still have some growing pains, as we will probably hire a young coach on his first coaching contract. Personally, I don't like the new coach to be hired from the current staff, but I would not be totally against Alex Jensen. Just not my first pick. So, hantlers, I am with you on not being super optimistic about the new coach. Hopefully the stars align, and we get the right guy at the right time in his career, and the right time for the organization.
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Stopped reading at "I think Ty is a smart guy".

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Hantlers said:
So I think by now all of us have realized that Ty isn't going to be our coach next year. It seems like a lot of us seem optimistic regarding the new hiring, and I'm just curious towards why.

Personally, I'm not. We had what seems to be one of the best coaches in the league on our staff, and either didn't recognize it, or didn't hire him out of stubbornness or obligation towards Corbin. I'm not sure whether this was more Linsey's decision, or the Millers, but honestly…I'm just not very optimistic towards their next hire because of this. Hopefully they can prove me wrong, but I feel like we'll get an uninspired hire like Alex Jensen.
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Don't think anyone on the coaching staff has had enough years to get the "Utah Loyalty" deal. Think they will put this one in DL's hands.
 
green said:
It's because Lindsay already knows who the next coach is.

My money is on Langabardi.

Longabardi knows defense. Worked under Doc Rivers, now has a terrible PHX team, talent wise, playing great defense, everyone loves him, is a "new age" guy with stats and the such.
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The more I learn about Mike Longabardi, the more intrigued I am by him. He seems to have all of the qualifications I would expect Dennis Lindsey to look for in the next head coach. Smart, works well with his players, has a defensive background, great pedigree (having coached under Tomjonovich, Rivers, Thibodeau and Hornacek), he's been a winner (championship with Boston and exceeding expectations in Phoenix) and he's future thinking in his acceptance and use of analytics in basketball. I only hope that he's been learning a lot from Hornacek on running an offense and he hires a guy to open things up for our very, very young team.

If I had my pick of coaches right now, I'd probably go

1. Tom Thibodeau (for an unprotected 2016 draft pick)
2. Billy Donovan (great success at the college level and a guy that I think can do it in the nba too
3. Mike Longabardi (for the reasons listed above)
4. George Karl (his offense is a gimmick, but it's been successful without a true #1 option)
5. Lionel Hollins (old school coach who won by featuring his bigs and focusing on defense)
 
Ellis269 said:
The more I learn about Mike Longabardi, the more intrigued I am by him. He seems to have all of the qualifications I would expect Dennis Lindsey to look for in the next head coach. Smart, works well with his players, has a defensive background, great pedigree (having coached under Tomjonovich, Rivers, Thibodeau and Hornacek), he's been a winner (championship with Boston and exceeding expectations in Phoenix) and he's future thinking in his acceptance and use of analytics in basketball. I only hope that he's been learning a lot from Hornacek on running an offense and he hires a guy to open things up for our very, very young team.
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He's a defensive coach right? How about the offensive side of things?
 
Hotttnickkk said:
He's a defensive coach right? How about the offensive side of things?
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Take what he's learned from Doc and Hornacek and hire a guy who runs a system that matches his philosophy. Hornacek hired a really good staff in Phoenix. He's certainly not a defensive expert. . . so he went out and got one (Mike Longabardi). If you're not great at both sides of the ball, make sure your staff is.
 
Ellis269 said:
Take what he's learned from Doc and Hornacek and hire a guy who runs a system that matches his philosophy. Hornacek hired a really good staff in Phoenix. He's certainly not a defensive expert. . . so he went out and got one (Mike Longabardi). If you're not great at both sides of the ball, make sure your staff is.
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Good posts.

My ideal hire would be a defensive specialist. I want to see defense turned into offense MULTIPLE TIMES PER GAME. That should feed an already #hungry transition game. That's the kind of killer instinct we've lacked for over a decade.

BTW, in order to do that, we need a defensive stopper either at the 2 or the 3... a guy who can guard the best perimeter opponent. Gettin Wiggin would fix so many things.
 
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