Hantlers explains why things are the way they are on reservations

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Sounds like welfare, there is no incentive to make your own money, unless you are making a lot of money. I mean why work hard and make your own money when you can chill out and make the same amount of money?

Exactly. If you believe you will never make more money that you can earn on welfare (which is less than you would make on minimum wage full-time), you won't bother. The question then becomes why all these people believe they won't be better off working than on welfare? What contributes to that, do you think?

Often times when you start making your own coin you lose out on other benefits and you are put in a worse place than you were before.

Some benefits phase out dollar-for-dollar, but most phase out even more slowly. If earning a dollar means I lose $.50 combined in food stamp benefits and the Earned Income Credit, I'm still ahead $.50.

So if you can't make a very good living its better to just stay on government assistance. Its a terribly flawed system. I hate to break it to you OB but minorities are in the majority for this problem. Whites are involved too, but not to the extent of minorities.

John Crotty, I'm well aware that minorities are the ones who primarily suffer from this issue. I have news that seems to be surprise to you: for the most part, they are not fond of the arrangement, but they feel they have no better options.

 

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You're making the inference that complaining about inner city welfare is racially charged. "Typical portrayal in media" does nothing to support your thesis.

Using words bring images to mind; that's how we think. Because of the portrayal in the major media, the images around "welfare" are racially charged.

 

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I found this interesting. Who do you think are contributing to this? Are white people calling that person a sell out? Or are members of that individuals own race calling thema sell out? If so, why?

No, it's the fellow black students, of course. I was probably insufficiently clear on that, but when I referred to the contemporaries who believe they will never get a fair chance, I did indeed mean the black kids; usually the white kids believe they will get some sort of chance. The white kids use terms to indicate the black kids don't belong, but "sell-out" is not usually among them.

 

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Using words bring images to mind; that's how we think. Because of the portrayal in the major media, the images around "welfare" are racially charged.

To you they might be. To me they are not.

 

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No, it's the fellow black students, of course. I was probably insufficiently clear on that, but when I referred to the contemporaries who believe they will never get a fair chance, I did indeed mean the black kids; usually the white kids believe they will get some sort of chance. The white kids use terms to indicate the black kids don't belong, but "sell-out" is not usually among them.

OK, that is better. So part of what is holding down minorities is their own racially charged misonceptions. Interesting.

Are there white kids that would make a minority feel less welcome in their cliche? Absolutely and they should be exposed as the racist bigots they are. But I deny this notion that it is as widespread and ingrained as you assert. That works with those calling a well performing minority a "sell out". Good on that kid for rising above the additional challenges they face.

 

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I found this interesting. Who do you think is contributing to this? Are white people calling that person a sell out? Or are members of that individuals own race calling them a sell out? If so, why?

Remember the Fab Five calling Grant Hill an Uncle Tom because he wasn't "ghetto" enough .... I think that type of thing is pretty common in AA culture. i think its more likely jealousy, but there seems to be almost a badge of honor to being a dumb *** gangster rather than a intelligent successful person.

 

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To you they might be. To me they are not.

Really? When you read/hear "welfare recipient", the first image in your brain has blue skin? Purple? Gray?

 

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OK, that is better. So part of what is holding down minorities is their own racially charged misonceptions. Interesting.

Their own evaluations, which are certainly racially charged, but generally not misconceptions.

Are there white kids that would make a minority feel less welcome in their cliche? Absolutely and they should be exposed as the racist bigots they are. But I deny this notion that it is as widespread and ingrained as you assert.

Feel free to deny it. On the one hand, study after study shows that, even by people who hold no racial malice, the efforts/abilities/aptitudes/work of black people is downgraded/diminished/more harshly evaluated/ignored when compared to identical output from white people. On the other hand, we have the denial of a lot of white people who haven't conducted these formal studies. I'll believe the studies.

That works with those calling a well performing minority a "sell out". Good on that kid for rising above the additional challenges they face.

'Good for the truly committed and brilliant, they get to be recognized as diligent and above average if they are black. Too bad for those of average dedication and ability, they need to perform above average if they want to be treated as average.' I can't support that line of thinking.

 

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Remember the Fab Five calling Grant Hill an Uncle Tom because he wasn't "ghetto" enough .... I think that type of thing is pretty common in AA culture. i think its more likely jealousy, but there seems to be almost a badge of honor to being a dumb *** gangster rather than a intelligent successful person.

Do go on. How are intelligent gangsters regarded? Wealthy gangsters? "Dumb ***" successful people?

 

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Really? When you read/hear "welfare recipient", the first image in your brain has blue skin? Purple? Gray?

The images in my head are people. You are the one that wants them all to be minorities.

 

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Their own evaluations, which are certainly racially charged, but generally not misconceptions.

Feel free to deny it. On the one hand, study after study shows that, even by people who hold no racial malice, the efforts/abilities/aptitudes/work of black people is downgraded/diminished/more harshly evaluated/ignored when compared to identical output from white people. On the other hand, we have the denial of a lot of white people who haven't conducted these formal studies. I'll believe the studies.



'Good for the truly committed and brilliant, they get to be recognized as diligent and above average if they are black. Too bad for those of average dedication and ability, they need to perform above average if they want to be treated as average.' I can't support that line of thinking.

Ahh..there it is. Knew it couldn't stay hidden for long.

Basically I am white and any ideas I may have on race and minorities are racist misconceptions. However those held by any member of any minority are not misconceptions. They are informed decisions based on my racism.

You seem to be confusing things. I have never once denied that there are racisms and prejudices and that overall minorities have a harder time of things. Not once. What you seem to confuse is that this somehow indicates that all whites are racist and that all minorities are informed on white racism and not racist Triangle Man is right. You beat around the bush a heck of a lot and hedge your words and phrasing but it is still clear what you are saying.

Heck let's just call it whitism. That'll make you happy.

 

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The images in my head are people. You are the one that wants them all to be minorities.

So, when you hear a singular word, the first image that pops into your mind is a crowd of people? What an interesting brain you have (unless you are kidding yourself).