Looking for genuine discourse re:Jay-Z/NBA

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I don't like rap music particularly, but I certainly know it's music, that it takes a lot of musical knowledge and talent, and I would never use the scare quotes. You're being deliberately obtuse.

Beyond being aware of past tunes, I would argue that rap doesn't require much musical knowledge.

That is not saying that rappers can't be musically intelligent

 

[Stoked]

Do go on. Show me I'm wrong. Tell me how you were victimized by racism. LogGrad98 and franklin had stories about brief encounters. What's yours?

How about being physically assaulted because I am white? Would that qualify as racism?

Oh no, that's right. You've already explicitly stated that racism can only go one way.

But I am sure you will try to pretend I am equating my victimization at the hands of racism to me making some claim that what I suffered is the same as what a black American (or simply anyone else) must suffer.

 

[sirkickyass]

I think your outrage at the use of quotes around the word music is a bit misplaced, that's all. The entire context of his statement is what is questionable, and arguing the use of quotes around a particular word seems diversionary to the discussion.

Moe: This entire thread, including but not limited to its deliberate mirroring of the structure of a different thread title, is designed to be diversionary to the real issue related to racism in the news.

I agree that virtually everything he's said has been problematic, but I latched onto that one because it is easily demonstrable and clear as day to all but the usual suspects.

 

[Stoked]

Stoked, what was the last musical genre you felt was so unmusical you needed to call it "music" instead of music?

None. But you jumped on one single nuance to claim that he deemed all music from another culture as no music. A claim you do not have sufficeint evidence to support.

 

[One Brow]

But just becasue he doesn't does not automatically make him a racist. You simply want him to be.

He's a human, so of course he's a racist, just like me or any other human. I have not singled him out on that score.

I agree that the single issue of not liking one particular style of music is not definitive. However, that's not the only indication that RobDMB has accepted some very racist lines of thought.

 

[Stoked]

He's a human, so of course he's a racist, just like me or any other human. I have not singled him out on that score.

I agree that the single issue of not liking one particular style of music is not definitive. However, that's not the only indication that RobDMB has accepted some very racist lines of thought.

He might have some. I simply think that this line of of that that his quotes on music is evidence of racism is uninformed. That's all.

Also the bolded assertion is not something that I can not reconcile with your claim that racism only goes one way.

 

[One Brow]

And as such you will continue to make little to no progress. It's constructive criticism.

Perhaps I'll make no progress with you (although I detect small signs that progress has happened over the years). However, you are not the universal archetype. With some people, you never make progress until you get angry.

 

[One Brow]

Beyond being aware of past tunes, I would argue that rap doesn't require much musical knowledge.

Well, no form of music requires musical knowledge and talent to be played. The only require musical knowledge and talent to be played well, and rap is not an exception.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Beyond being aware of past tunes, I would argue that rap doesn't require much musical knowledge.

That is not saying that rappers can't be musically intelligent

It depends. With any music you can write the most basic structures, or follow the same chord progression/blueprint for a song and make it easy. Hip-hop producers like Madlib and J Dilla are extremely talented, but pretty much use sample based music to create beats, but in my eyes it's just as creative and unique.

In general, I just hate people who dismiss entire genres. Chances are you haven't explored the depths/roots/offshoots of that genre and are only commenting on the most generic version that is produced for the masses.

 

[Stoked]

Perhaps I'll make no progress with you (although I detect small signs that progress has happened over the years). However, you are not the universal archetype. With some people, you never make progress until you get angry.

Fair enough. But you seem unable to hone your approach to the changing audience. You can see that it has placed Rob on the defensive. So why not change it up?

As for the bolded, I simply think it is you understanding my position better. Perhaps it is you that has made the progress. lol

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

First of all you, personally, can keep your respect as none of it is returned. Second of all at no point was the assertion made that whites suffer the same level of racism, especially in America, that blacks do. Not by me anyways.

But as already stated, by several posters now. One Brow simply wants to act like that since one is worse than the other that the lesser one doesn't matter. Foolish. All racism matters. The degree it matters should of course reflect the severity and depth of the racism in question.

I wasn't really talking to you, or at least i don't think I was, unless you were complaining about being discriminated as a white person.

Pretty much my views are with Louis CK's bit called "Louis CK - Being White" on youtube. Would post it, but I don't want to get fracted, but I suggest you listen to it. It's funny as ****, and basically sums up being white and how you shouldn't bitch about this dumb ****.

 

[One Brow]

How about being physically assaulted because I am white? Would that qualify as racism?

Tell me more about it. Why do you think is was simply because you are white?

Oh no, that's right. You've already explicitly stated that racism can only go one way.

I've also stated that two white people on this board did experience brief moments of racism. Let's hear more about yours.

In any river, you can find small eddies where, for a very sort period of time, water flows in the opposite direction from the usual route. For example, there are places on the Mississippi where water briefly swirls north. However, no one says the Mississippi sometimes flows north.

But I am sure you will try to pretend I am equating my victimization at the hands of racism to me making some claim that what I suffered is the same as what a black American (or simply anyone else) must suffer.

I don't know the details of your claim. I know that a white man walking around Harlem or East St. Louis doesn't have much to fear at the hands of the black people there, and doesn't experience any sort of societal oppression except for the fears he brings with him. However, tell me your story about how you were slected by a group of black strangers and beaten up. I'm all ears.