Looking for genuine discourse re:Jay-Z/NBA

[Darkwing Duck]

Even wealthy black men, dressed in suits, were stopped and frisked in New York City. Being upper class does not make one immune from the effects of racism.

Still haven't removed all the variables to determine if the individual was aggrieved solely because of skin tone.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

As is mine.

I would imagine that there has to be some study somewhere where a bunch of white people where tested on their preferences for skin tones on white people. If they prefer pale or tanned tones.

Thena bunch of black people tested on if they prefer very dark skin tones or lighter skin tones on black people. Then cross testing. Perhaps the increasing # of inter racial marriages and biracial children is contributing to this.

Once again, it becomes an issue of socioeconomic pressure. 500 years it was preferably to be the lightest of skin tones. The royalty/aristocrats of the day were tremendously pale while the low class workers were darker in tone. They had to work in the fields all day under the sun, while the royals kept themselves under shade. Thus, that was the ideal.

That dynamic doesn't exist today, so cultural preferences change.

 

[Stoked]

Once again, it becomes an issue of socioeconomic pressure. 500 years it was preferably to be the lightest of skin tones. The royalty/aristocrats of the day were tremendously pale while the low class workers were darker in tone. They had to work in the fields all day under the sun, while the royals kept themselves under shade. Thus, that was the ideal.

That dynamic doesn't exist today, so cultural preferences change.

Very interesting and not something I had ever thought about. Makes sense as those in the shade had the power.

 

[♪alt13]

There's a difference between "someone wrote an essay" and seeing essays on a regular basis.

However, perhaps you mean essays are not a sufficient response. What would be sufficient response?

Must you always crop a quote to frame an argument you would like to have? I am not interested in tallying essays with you. Are you going to address the larger theme of my post?

 

[One Brow]

Still haven't removed all the variables to determine if the individual was aggrieved solely because of skin tone.

The only way to remove all the variables is to conduct clinical experiments. Meanwhile, I await your stories of white men in nice suits being stop-and-frisked.

 

[One Brow]

Must you always crop a quote to frame an argument you would like to have? I am not interested in tallying essays with you. Are you going to address the larger theme of my post?

The larger theme being that black people are not as severely criticized as white people when using racially charged language? That's already been covered in this thread. Racially charged language has more meaning when it goes with the flow of a racially biased society, instead of against that flow, and therefore deserves a larger response. In most circumstances, the proper response to speech is better speech; in a few circumstances, words have more power than just being words.

 

[Stoked]

The larger theme being that black people are not as severely criticized as white people when using racially charged language? That's already been covered in this thread. Racially charged language has more meaning when it goes with the flow of a racially biased society, instead of against that flow, and therefore deserves a larger response. In most circumstances, the proper response to speech is better speech; in a few circumstances, words have more power than just being words.

Define the bolded please. What exactly qalifies as "larger"?

 

[One Brow]

Define the bolded please. What exactly qalifies as "larger"?

I would say a lifetime ban is a larger response than a strongly worded essay. I don' have an exact scale in mind.

 

[Stoked]

I would say a lifetime ban is a larger response than a strongly worded essay. I don' have an exact scale in mind.

Hmm, sometimes the reaction should be larger than others. But sometimes they should be the exact same. You have to look at more than just who said it.

 

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Hmm, sometimes the reaction should be larger than others. But sometimes they should be the exact same. You have to look at more than just who said it.

Stoked is angling to become moderator of teh NBA. He metes out judgment like spoons full of creamy peanut butter.

 

[Stoked]

Stoked is angling to become moderator of teh NBA. He metes out judgment like spoons full of creamy peanut butter.

This discussion has moved beyond Sterling. But troll away, why stop now right?

 

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then your response is even more lol.