The Real Decision - Gobert and Burke

[gomretat]

The good news is that this really does look like a deep draft and having the number 5 pick is not a bad place to be. The other good news is that the Jazz still have assets that are valuable and a lot of cap space to play with. So making a move is still very possible. Obviously getting in the top 3 would have been great and it would have made a lot easier decision making.

Now that you are at 5, there are two players you have to make a call on. First, do the Jazz believe Gobert can be a starting center on a contending team? If so, you use Kanter as trade bait to try and move up or get another asset. Second, do you believe Trey is your point guard of the future? If not, you package him for some kind of deal. That is what picking 5th does for us - you have to make a call on those two guys, perhaps earlier than you wanted to make that decision.

 

[orangello]

Too bad we don't know how good Kanter, Gobert and others are because of Corbin's agenda.

It would make this process much easier.

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[b_line]

If any combination of any of our players helps us move up or acquire a top 4 pick, then we absolutely do it this year. At least consider it. The only player I see the jazz having any hesitation at all to include in a deal is Derrick favors.

Hayward can't be traded at this point, at least not until like July in a sign and trade, so that would leave Alec, enes, Burke, gobert and any other asset we have accumulated. For Dennis Lindsey, I think there is not much that is off limits as far as trades go. We might see some surprises.

The only thing I don't want though, is to get the same type of players and assets that we are giving up. The only move we need to be making is to get a star.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Now that you are at 5, there are two players you have to make a call on. First, do the Jazz believe Gobert can be a starting center on a contending team? If so, you use Kanter as trade bait to try and move up or get another asset. Second, do you believe Trey is your point guard of the future? If not, you package him for some kind of deal. That is what picking 5th does for us - you have to make a call on those two guys, perhaps earlier than you wanted to make that decision.

The only thing I don't want though, is to get the same type of players and assets that we are giving up. The only move we need to be making is to get a star.

I agree on both points. Jazz are looking to improve the quality of their core, not go sideways.
Utah will have great depth: Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks, Burke, Gobert, the #5, the #23. Perhaps Neto gets added to that group. And add in cap space to acquire a couple of FA's. All of a sudden, there are too many good, but not great, players and not enough PT to go around. So the solution is to try to move a couple to acquire an all-star. Sure it hurts depth, but it has to be done.

Unless Utah gets Embiid, though, I would be hesitant to trade Favors or Gobert; 5's are just too difficult to come by in this league and I think Gobert has shown too much potential. At least let him really make a mark this season. Then he really increases his trade value.

 

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Trade Burke.

Burke + 23 + future pick or an unwanted contract FOR Marcus Smart

 

[cowhide]

I think everyone needs to let the smoke clear and see what happens during the workout progress. If Embiid isn't healthy then the draft will change or if any team above Utah trades their picks. Smart might go to Orlando and blow them away and they end up taking him over Exum. Vonelh and Randle could change people minds. Yes it is disappointing that the Jazz dropped but there are still very good players available at 5. I know our record sucked last year but there were many games where the Jazz out played the other team and lost going down the stretch. Jazz would not have started 1-14 if Burke started day 1. The West is a killer conference but with a excellent coaching upgrade and two very good players and improvement within the glass is not half empty.

 

[da ThRONe]

If any combination of any of our players helps us move up or acquire a top 4 pick, then we absolutely do it this year. At least consider it. The only player I see the jazz having any hesitation at all to include in a deal is Derrick favors.

Hayward can't be traded at this point, at least not until like July in a sign and trade, so that would leave Alec, enes, Burke, gobert and any other asset we have accumulated. For Dennis Lindsey, I think there is not much that is off limits as far as trades go. We might see some surprises.

The only thing I don't want though, is to get the same type of players and assets that we are giving up. The only move we need to be making is to get a star.

I agree not sure why this "decision" just comes down to Burke and Gobert. You can certainly say that about the entire roster including Favors. IMO Burke has the potential to be the best player out of your entire core. Usually players make the biggest leap with 2 or 3 years. So while guys are super young and that always bolds well for improvement I think Burke is the guy to expect the biggest leap from.

 

[zman1527]

The good news is that this really does look like a deep draft and having the number 5 pick is not a bad place to be. The other good news is that the Jazz still have assets that are valuable and a lot of cap space to play with. So making a move is still very possible. Obviously getting in the top 3 would have been great and it would have made a lot easier decision making.

Now that you are at 5, there are two players you have to make a call on. First, do the Jazz believe Gobert can be a starting center on a contending team? If so, you use Kanter as trade bait to try and move up or get another asset. Second, do you believe Trey is your point guard of the future? If not, you package him for some kind of deal. That is what picking 5th does for us - you have to make a call on those two guys, perhaps earlier than you wanted to make that decision.

If Gobert can be a starter, why trade Kanter? If it was favors and gobert, we have little scoring from the bigs. Kanter + Gobert seem a better combo.

As to Burke, I may not have watched enough to know for sure, but it seems like he lacks essential quickness: he could not get around guys and into the lane. Am I wrong about that? If not, that makes him a mediocre starting pg. Maybe good enough considering the other pieces, but only a role player, at best a Mike Conley type guy

 

[One Brow]

Too bad we don't know how good Kanter, Gobert and others are because of Corbin's agenda.

Kanter played the sixth-most minutes on the team, and of the bigs, only Favors played more. You object to Corbin's agenda to give the young bigs the most minutes?

 

[orangello]

Trade Burke.

Burke + 23 + future pick or an unwanted contract FOR Marcus Smart

Yep.

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[One Brow]

Now that you are at 5, there are two players you have to make a call on. First, do the Jazz believe Gobert can be a starting center on a contending team? If so, you use Kanter as trade bait to try and move up or get another asset. Second, do you believe Trey is your point guard of the future? If not, you package him for some kind of deal. That is what picking 5th does for us - you have to make a call on those two guys, perhaps earlier than you wanted to make that decision.

Even if he can't be a starter, Gobert can and will be a very good back-up center, and those are also rare. If we don't pick up a major big in the off-season, there will be plenty of minutes for Favors-Kanter-Gobert. Unless Embiid falls to 5, that's our likely big rotation next year; why make a so-called decision on any of them?

 

[orangello]

Kanter played the sixth-most minutes on the team, and of the bigs, only Favors played more. You object to Corbin's agenda to give the young bigs the most minutes?

Who played more minutes, Kanter or Marvin?

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