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With the 5th pick the Utah Jazz select Noah Vonleh

Core4 said:
I agree with those who have said the likelihood is small for trading down. Seems like every team just in back of the Jazz recognizes the talent pool is pretty equal at that point and has said they're looking to trade out or down.
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All the GMs are giving out signals that it's time to start discussing trades. I think teams would do that any year outside the top 3. The question is whether a team like Boston or the Lakers would get a better player in a trade than they could draft where they're sitting.

I don't think the Jazz will get offered a player that's significantly better than the talent they'd draft at #5 (Vonleh or Smart). Could happen though, and the Jazz seem to be exploring every avenue.
 
Just to reiterate, I think Vonleh with his length and athleticism can probably guard many of the league's SFs. I think you can put him out on the floor at the SF spot like the Jazz did with Marvin Williams the last couple of years. Remember, Marvin was an SF his first year with the Jazz.

I'm not saying Vonleh is a great perimeter defender, but I think he'll be okay at least.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqtlJ0fP_wA

6:40 - shooting ability
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Weaknesses are p&r defense, not a rim protector, poor passer, lacks explosiveness... Can someone explain to me how Vonleh isn't Al Jefferson. I admit my knowledge of him is limited. I'm not trying to get flamed, I'm really curious to know from people who have seen him. Is he a poor pick and roll defender because he lacks quickness like Al or is he just out of position or lacks I.Q.? Is he a poor rim protector for similar reasons?

The similarities to Al worry me... Similar size, build... Both undersized at the 5, both have great offensive arsenals, but both are poor passers, and both are turnover prone, Vonleh was also known to be a black hole. If Vonleh can't keep up as a 5 in college or defend the p&r he can't play the 3 in the NBA

Vonleh did dive for some balls in the vid and he went after some loose balls... I guess playing some defense, and putting a little effort in puts him above Al.
 
Mongoose said:
Weaknesses are p&r defense, not a rim protector, poor passer, lacks explosiveness... Can someone explain to me how Vonleh isn't Al Jefferson. I admit my knowledge of him is limited. I'm not trying to get flamed, I'm really curious to know from people who have seen him. Is he a poor pick and roll defender because he lacks quickness like Al or is he just out of position or lacks I.Q.? Is he a poor rim protector for similar reasons?

The similarities to Al worry me... Similar size, build... Both undersized at the 5, both have great offensive arsenals, but both are poor passers, and both are turnover prone, Vonleh was also known to be a black hole. If Vonleh can't keep up as a 5 in college or defend the p&r he can't play the 3 in the NBA

Vonleh did dive for some balls in the vid and he went after some loose balls... I guess playing some defense, and putting a little effort in puts him above Al.
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He's a better defender out on the floor than Al Jefferson. He also has shooting range out to the college and international 3-pt. line. He's very young and an unfinished product. I think he can get better as a defender, especially as he adds more strength.
 
I think Vonleh is a combo-forward who will play out on the floor like Lamar Odom or Rashard Lewis. I wouldn't compare him to Al Jefferson.
 
Mongoose said:
Weaknesses are p&r defense, not a rim protector, poor passer, lacks explosiveness... Can someone explain to me how Vonleh isn't Al Jefferson. I admit my knowledge of him is limited. I'm not trying to get flamed, I'm really curious to know from people who have seen him. Is he a poor pick and roll defender because he lacks quickness like Al or is he just out of position or lacks I.Q.? Is he a poor rim protector for similar reasons?

The similarities to Al worry me... Similar size, build... Both undersized at the 5, both have great offensive arsenals, but both are poor passers, and both are turnover prone, Vonleh was also known to be a black hole. If Vonleh can't keep up as a 5 in college or defend the p&r he can't play the 3 in the NBA

Vonleh did dive for some balls in the vid and he went after some loose balls... I guess playing some defense, and putting a little effort in puts him above Al.
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That video was pre-combine and the lack of explosiveness was something i disputed in the draftees thread for awhile, i think he disproved a bit of that with a 37" vertical jump, only 2" less than 'Air' Gordon. Al Jefferson for comparison jumped 30" at the combine.

Vonleh was a point forward before he got to IU where he was asked to play a new position, Center, accounting for some of the issues, alot of his issues are fixable and can be attributed to youth. he needs to learn defense, he has the footspeed for P+R defense and in general is much more mobile and active than Al. If you see enough of his game footage theres some spectacular blocks that you dont see from Al, like (0:55) on the video i posted on this page, he takes the ball coast to coast after the block

also Noah doesnt need that space in the middle of the floor, or demand the ball like Al does, you dont have to run any plays for him, he can shoot 3's and attack closeouts using his first step. Al's game is more bodying people and footwork, something that Noah could develop but is probably years away so its really not the best comparison, Al Jefferson was bigbodied in HS and when he came into the league, Noah was skinny and added a ton of muscle, their body types and positions are bit different Al is listed at 289lbs this year, i could never see Noah being that large..(though id have said the same of Shawn Kemp)
 
For the record, I think Vonleh and Randle are clearly the best players at the #5 pick.


Vonleh possess a lot of the physical attributes as well as shooting touch that is very similar to Chris Bosh. They even seem to have the same laid back temperament. By all accounts he is going to be a decent player, if not a very good player.


Randle on the other hand is big and strong and is going to fight for you on the floor every-single-night. He was the leader of that UK team that went to the Finals game no question about it. His leadership alone will likely lift the level of play of your team as a whole. On top of that he'll give you 19pt, 8reb every game once he starts to get going.


If we're left with picking these 2, it will be the job of the GM who have seen them more than we do to determine who is the better fit for our team. While I'm leaning towards Randle, I won't be unhappy with neither of them tbh.
 
correction on my previous post.

handsize
randle - 8.75 / 8.25 inch
vonleh - 9.75 / 11.75 inch

how's even this possible? human body is so weird
 
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