Gordon VS. Vonleh

[Beantown]

Look at their frames and arms. Gordon had a wide shoulder frame and his arms are jacked. Vonleh's frame is very thin.

 

[Game6Conley]

on 11/22 vs Uconn the refs called one of the tightest games i saw all year, i can remember being furious about a few calls and Noah only played 10 minutes. his assists aren't good, but center was playing a new position in a very bad offense, he was a faceup player in HS as he will be in the NBA. IU lost two top 4 picks in the previous draft and played like it.

Aaron Gordon was playing on one of the best teams in the nation, loaded with 5 star recruits

Noah scored 11.3 points on 7.3 shots
Gordon scored 12.4 points on 10.1 shots

how is he a sissy? is that really part of your expert analysis, a 247lb 18 year old sissy with a ridiculous rebound rate.. how does that happen?

and Gordon shot 35% from 3 but is that really reliable at NBA range? what about 17% from 3 in conference play... that was a fluke???

obviously theirs going to be disconnects in any player comparison how can MKG be a terrible comparison when so many of their stats are damn near identical...

AG - minutes 31.2, 12.4ppg, 49% fg's, 8.0 rebs, 2.0 ast, .9 stl, 1.0 blk
MKG-minutes 31.1, 11.9ppg, 49% fg's, 7.4 rebs, 1.9 ast, 1.0stl, .9blk

MKG doesnt have exceptional handles?? thats bogus, he grabs rebounds and flys coast to coast

"Aaron gordons ability to guard is unquestionable" yet i just pointed out a bunch of mistakes he made throughout the last game

my main question: does he have the strength/length to defend the PF's of the western conference (Griffin, Aldridge, Duncan, Love, Nowitzki, Davis, Randolph.. etc)

and your going to pull the 18 year olds make mistakes card.. doesnt that apply to Vonleh too ?

 

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PG_AB is winning this....

I'm still wicked worried about adding another non-passer who currently struggles in PnR defense. But, yeah, we aren't gonna get a player at 5 who doesn't have some big question marks.

 

[Deleted member 365]

If Vonleh is only 1/2 an inch taller, yet weighs 27 lbs more, how is he skinny when Gordon is Extremely strong?

Stop thinking or looking up facts.

Aaron is the man cuz... Well cuz he dunks reel good.

 

[Crawlnstall]

That 60 percent is insane

I believe he only attempted something like 19 or 20 3's for the year...its still a great % but he didn't venture out there very often

 

[Sexual Favors]

on 11/22 vs Uconn the refs called one of the tightest games i saw all year, i can remember being furious about a few calls and Noah only played 10 minutes. his assists aren't good, but center was playing a new position in a very bad offense, he was a faceup player in HS as he will be in the NBA. IU lost two top 4 picks in the previous draft and played like it.

Aaron Gordon was playing on one of the best teams in the nation, loaded with 5 star recruits

Thanks for clearing up the facts of the game. I hadn't watched it.

If A. Gordon played on a better team than Vonleh, then isn't it also safe to assume that touches would've been harder to come by for him? Yet, he was able to get shots because of his athleticism and determination. What if he was truly featured in the offense?

With Vonleh playing on the inferior team, but being the superior prospect, why didn't he take over?

Noah scored 11.3 points on 7.3 shots
Gordon scored 12.4 points on 10.1 shots

With Vonleh being as offensively potent as he appears on paper, why is he only shooting 7.3 x a game,? Seems like a very passive, or "sissy" mentality to me. One that is already too abundant on our team.

If he isn't scoring, and he can't pass, etc. is he really so much better than A. Gordon offensively? At what point do you question mental makeup?

Is he really better offensively than Kanter? For all the things Kanter does wrong, he has a thirst for putting the ball through the basket.

Favors is another player with an incredible body and potential, but with the propensity to coast. Would pairing these two fairweathers together really bode well for us in the frontcourt?

how is he a sissy? is that really part of your expert analysis, a 247lb 18 year old sissy with a ridiculous rebound rate.. how does that happen?

Already adressed what I meant above.

As for rebounding, A. Gordon is also a great rebounder, who could do it from the wing position for us. He averaged 8 a game.

Favors averaged 10.4 per 36
Kanter pulled 10.1 per 36
Gobert pulled 13 per 36

Our frontcourt isn't struggling to get rebounds.

Add A. Gordon's rebounding to Hayward's 5.4 on the wing, and I think we are doing fine in that department.

The problem last year was RJ only grabbed 3.6 per 36, and Marvin only snagged 7.2 per 36 as a PF. They're gone. Problem solved.

and Gordon shot 35% from 3 but is that really reliable at NBA range? what about 17% from 3 in conference play... that was a fluke???

Is it reliable for any player? It isn't A. Gordon's fault that the college game has different rules than the NBA. Who knows how reliable it is. The point is that his form looks good, despite what his FT's portray. At 18, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that he gets dramatically better with more reps, as I've already stated, the form looks decent.

And as for tournament play? That's tournament play. A handful of single elimination games. Most scouts don't factor it too highly. Instead, they view the body of work as a whole.

obviously theirs going to be disconnects in any player comparison how can MKG be a terrible comparison when so many of their stats are damn near identical...

AG - minutes 31.2, 12.4ppg, 49% fg's, 8.0 rebs, 2.0 ast, .9 stl, 1.0 blk
MKG-minutes 31.1, 11.9ppg, 49% fg's, 7.4 rebs, 1.9 ast, 1.0stl, .9blk

Because they are just basic stats that were acheived by two players with very different bodies and skills.

Go look up Jabari Parker's PER 40 and compare it to Anthony Bennett's. They are also identical. Does this mean Parker is going to bust his first year like A. Bennett. I mean they're both said to be tweener forwards.

Dig deeper.

The far superior measurements, 2" of height, TO %, athleticism, and BBIQ posessed by Gordon are very real.

MKG doesnt have exceptional handles?? thats bogus, he grabs rebounds and flys coast to coast

17.1 TO % in college for his possessions tell a different story.

"Aaron gordons ability to guard is unquestionable" yet i just pointed out a bunch of mistakes he made throughout the last game

Yes, in one game. Congrats.

18 yr olds can have bad games. Even so, the fact that A. Gordon, a wing would be gaurding Kaminskey, a center, speaks to A. Gordon's defensive versatility.

I rebuttled your nitpicking with a point about Vonleh having a zero pt game. Does that mean Vonleh will score zero pts now and forevermore? Ha.

my main question: does he have the strength/length to defend the PF's of the western conference (Griffin, Aldridge, Duncan, Love, Nowitzki, Davis, Randolph.. etc)

First of all, I want him as a small forward. This is where his value lies. Slashing, cutting, athletic, face to the basket, dribbling, passing, up tempo, high flyer, great rebounding, defensive guru as a 3.

Second of all, yes he could contain them. He has superior athleticism to all of them, including Blake. Better foot speed. A good wingspan, and stands 6'9" in shoes.

Third of all, Love, Aldridge, Griffin, and Nowitzki din't play any defense themselves.

and your going to pull the 18 year olds make mistakes card.. doesnt that apply to Vonleh too ?

I never said it didn't. But Aaron Gordon is the better prospect for us, and a very serious case could be made that he is also BPA.

 

[Sexual Favors]

BTW, PG_AB, thank you for the civil discussion. I love this ****.

 

[Sexual Favors]

PG_AB is winning this....

I'm still wicked worried about adding another non-passer who currently struggles in PnR defense. But, yeah, we aren't gonna get a player at 5 who doesn't have some big question marks.

Yet the poll reads 22-11 in favor of Gordon, my guy...

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

PG_AB is winning this....

I'm still wicked worried about adding another non-passer who currently struggles in PnR defense. But, yeah, we aren't gonna get a player at 5 who doesn't have some big question marks.

And it's not even close.


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[richgates]

So forgive my ignorance regarding Aaron Gordon as I've only seen some scouting report videos and some highlights. What makes him different than say Derrick Williams? Will someone who has seen both players more than me tell me if they are that different?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Yet the poll reads 22-11 in favor of Gordon, my guy...

Yes. It's tough to overcome stupidity. Plus it's possible that more here know and have seen more of Gordon, and the hype he got all year. Vonleh also played on a bad team with a bad offense with a pg that never got him the ball.


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[Sexual Favors]

So forgive my ignorance regarding Aaron Gordon as I've only seen some scouting report videos and some highlights. What makes him different than say Derrick Williams? Will someone who has seen both players more than me tell me if they are that different?

Very different. Derrick williams is a tweener in a bad way. He isn't quick enough, doesn't really have the body, or skills to play SF. A. Gordon does, but also has enough size to slide into the 4 situationally as is. A. Gordon doesn't have a back to the basket game.