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I have heard the theory that young players have an expected time when they usually make a "leap" if they are going to be great players... IIRC that time is most often between years 2 and 3 or 3 and 4.

I believe the jazz are set up, with thier young players mostly playing at different positions and all having different strengths and weakness, to do something somewhat unprecidented.

We could have a situation where ALL of our cour 4 make big leaps (and maybe burke too... and to a lesser extent gobert) next season. I think that they have been hurt by having a crappy coach and by being on teams with alot of veteran talent in thier first few years to the point that maybe they make thier "leap" a little bit later than most, next year in this case.
Throw in the fact that they were all extremely young players and that they should have some chemistry with one another at this point and i would say that the probability goes up even more for all or at least some to have a very good season next year.


We really need to hit a home run with our next coaching hire and i could see all of our young guys exceeding expectations next year, along with a stud rookie (or two), a good free agent addition (or a couple), and a pretty deep bench to boot.

I predict that rather than have another top pick in next years draft, we will actually be fighting for a playoff spot next april
 
It amazes me how little respect you guys have for Trey Burke on this forum. If anything he's more likely to have the biggest leap out of all the players given he was the rookie and the fact he started the year with a injury to his shooting hand.
 
da ThRONe said:
It amazes me how little respect you guys have for Trey Burke on this forum. If anything he's more likely to have the biggest leap out of all the players given he was the rookie and the fact he started the year with a injury to his shooting hand.
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Well the theory i have seen most (and the one im discussing in this thread) is that player usually make the leap between 2nd and 3rd year.... or 3rd and 4th.

So it doesnt really apply with trey..... though i think he will be next year than he was last year
 
fishonjazz said:
I have heard the theory that young players have an expected time when they usually make a "leap" if they are going to be great players... IIRC that time is most often between years 2 and 3 or 3 and 4.

I believe the jazz are set up, with thier young players mostly playing at different positions and all having different strengths and weakness, to do something somewhat unprecidented.

We could have a situation where ALL of our cour 4 make big leaps (and maybe burke too... and to a lesser extent gobert) next season. I think that they have been hurt by having a crappy coach and by being on teams with alot of veteran talent in thier first few years to the point that maybe they make thier "leap" a little bit later than most, next year in this case.
Throw in the fact that they were all extremely young players and that they should have some chemistry with one another at this point and i would say that the probability goes up even more for all or at least some to have a very good season next year.


We really need to hit a home run with our next coaching hire and i could see all of our young guys exceeding expectations next year, along with a stud rookie (or two), a good free agent addition (or a couple), and a pretty deep bench to boot.

I predict that rather than have another top pick in next years draft, we will actually be fighting for a playoff spot next april
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Tl;dr

Can you summarize? TIA

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It's all the new coach and the vets brought in. This team either makes or finishes 1 game out with the right coach:

Burke/Livingston/Neto
Burks/Hinrich
Hayward/Marvin
Favors/Kanter
Gortat/Vonleh/Gobert
 
green said:
It's all the new coach and the vets brought in. This team either makes or finishes 1 game out with the right coach:

Burke/Livingston/Neto
Burks/Hinrich
Hayward/Marvin
Favors/Kanter
Gortat/Vonleh/Gobert
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I think Vonleh is closer to a 3 than he is a 5.
 
I was kind of wondering this too. People say it's about the 3rd season when players break out, but then I've heard people say that players get to their primes around25-28 years old. So which is it? Our players are all still young so I'd think it would be when their older, not just by which season.
 
da ThRONe said:
It amazes me how little respect you guys have for Trey Burke on this forum. If anything he's more likely to have the biggest leap out of all the players given he was the rookie and the fact he started the year with a injury to his shooting hand.
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Right. Most pgs struggle their 1st year. I think Burke will be solid, but not spectacular but the theory is you don't need an elite PG to win a championship so hoping we can surround him with guys that can.
 
Kevin Durant shot 43% is first year in the league.
Now he shoots over 50%.
If you also look at his assists per game his percentage has increased along with his assists.

Those 2 go hand in hand IMO. When you are a threat to pass. It opens up the floor for you so you can get easier shots.

This will determine whether or not Trey Burke becomes a great starting PG.......or a back up point guard his whole career.
 
Doublea said:
I was kind of wondering this too. People say it's about the 3rd season when players break out, but then I've heard people say that players get to their primes around25-28 years old. So which is it? Our players are all still young so I'd think it would be when their older, not just by which season.
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typically, major statistical categories see dramatic increases between those years. I think players reach their peaks much later because things like IQ, work-habits, chemistry, etc catch up. Still roughly the same at scoring, rebounding etc at year 4 as year 8, but in year 8 theyve stopped making as many dumb mistakes, stay out of foul trouble, or understand the schemes better. Hence their prime, as their abilities, and intangibles, are at their peaks together.
 
I think the Jazz are going to have trouble making the playoffs next few years. OKC, SAS, Hou, and LAC are all going to make the playoffs. I don't see GS, Portland and Memphis getting any worse either and Phoenix will likely improve. Dallas might drop off a bit, but not much. NO and Denver could also be in the mix. Minnesota it will depend on what happens to Love. LAL could be in the mix if Kobe is healthy. Sacramento will stink, as always though. Most people will view the Jazz as a bottom 2-3 team in the West to begin the year, depending on what they do with Hayward, and what Minnesota does with Love. I could see them around 9-11 in the West realistically, but it would take a huge jump to get them into the playoffs.
 
I think it's going to be a while before the jazz are able to put in any sort of work.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPajrnCtLiI
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvSEjFQJK-s
 
couple of videos to wet the whistle
 
one more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhIkO8RA58I
 
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