Aaron Gordon, a No. 5 Pick?

[Doublea]

He'll be coming off the bench if we resign hayward. Probably better that way to bring him along.

 

[Coach Ellis]

He'll be coming off the bench if we resign hayward. Probably better that way to bring him along.

Why would Aaron Gordon be coming off the bench if they re-sign Gordon Hayward? The team has pretty much slotted him into the 2 spot. Don't get me wrong. . . I think AG is better off long-term if he starts on the bench and works on his shot, but he probably won't lose minutes because of Gordon Hayward.

 

[Jazz4ever]

I agree I think Hayward will be overpaid somewhere in the 13-14M's per season range. My personal philosophy is to never drastically over pay for a player. I think based on his skillset he's a 7-9M's per year guy. I'd settle at 11M's per year, but that would be the max. If I'm not mistaken Hayward already turn down as much. I would look to sign and trade Hayward rather than overpay him. Good player, but I believe his production can be had at a much more reasonable price.

Jazz gonna match. Hayward has a great basketball IQ and will improve under Snyder's tutelage. His shot will return to second year accuracy. Should be an 18/6/6 player in his prime, you just don't let that walk, especially with only 27 million on the books next year.

 

[da ThRONe]

Jazz gonna match. Hayward has a great basketball IQ and will improve under Snyder's tutelage. His shot will return to second year accuracy. Should be an 18/6/6 player in his prime, you just don't let that walk, especially with only 27 million on the books next year.

I don't know if the Jazz will or won't match and honestly that's not even my point. My point is anything north of 11M's per they shouldn't.

If Hayward is averaging 18/6/6 that's probably not good for the Jazz. I don't think if any combo of Burks, Favors, Kanter, Burke, Gobert and whoever you guys take this year develop Hayward will put up those numbers even if he continues to get better.

Yes you have cap space, but that shouldn't be an open invite to overspend. 1st Kanter and Burks will be eligible for their new deals. Next you never know who will be available in FA. Let's say everybody on the roster make a huge leap this off-season under Snyder. And you are a 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs next year. You may find yourself a target for a player worthy of a max deal, or you may need that cap space to eat a awful contract in a trade.

 

[sahlensguy]

If that's what he said then I would think he's hinting at Smart. P&R defense typically involves a guard (usually the best ball handler on the team) and a big. We already have 2 defensive bigs, Gobert and Favors. I don't think there are any upgrades to be had at 5. However, Smart would most likely be an upgrade over Burke.

So if you want to use the P&R quote then I'd say he's leaning specifically to Smart, not Gordon.

If you assume he just wants to improve our defense in general terms, it could go either way Smart or Gordon.

Overall, I think we're over analyzing his quotes to confirm to our desired picks for the draft.

I wrote off Smart weeks ago. Thanks alot! He's a bit of a chucker without a shot. Using my own logic based on the quote, I'll need to reconsider. While I like Gordon's ceiling, he is a few years away to being an contributor. The point you made about Smart being an upgrade even with no shot, is an important one. He can contribute more this season than any other pick at 5. That's important to a new rookie coach of a lottery team in a loaded division, who is aware of his coaching mortality. Early contribution may swing the pick to Smart.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Hayward and Gordon have very complementary games. I want to see those two play together. Two great basketball minds on the court is far better than one.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't think this is true. You don't need that one guy.

Name one championship team in the last 40 years that didn't have AT LEAST one of those guys without mentioning the 2004 Pistons (who still had a few guys that would be first options on bad teams).

 

[NUMBERICA]

@ 5 I don't see the Jazz getting a #1 option offensively. Smart m a y b e but with his shot probably not. Any team that wants to build an NBA offense around Vonleh can't be Srs about building to contend, imo.

If we move up for Parker/Wiggins/Embodied then **** yeah. If not we get what we can and keep looking for that # 1 option.

At least at this point, Smart and Randle have been that before. But a point I'm trying to get at is that the Jazz should try really hard to move up. The sanctimonious turds that are married to nice scraps and wouldn't give any up to get a bona fide #1 option are hopefully not in the front office, although I don't know why anyone in the top-3 would trade out. There's chatter about someone slipping out of the consensus top-3 because sometimes teams out-think themselves and fall in love with players below the consensus. If that's the case - for example, if Philly wants Exum and want a return on where they sit - maybe they'll make a deal to get the player they want and more in order to make it happen.

I'm holding onto hope that the Jazz get one of those three guys and I don't know why. But of everyone in play in the top-10, TODAY, Aaron Gordon is literally at the bottom of the list of players that you could build an offense around and the Jazz need one badly. And with all of this talk of him becoming a player that he simply isn't close to being, well, **** in one hand in wish in the other and see what fills up first.

 

[da ThRONe]

Name one championship team in the last 40 years that didn't have AT LEAST one of those guys without mentioning the 2004 Pistons (who still had a few guys that would be first options on bad teams).

Name me how many of those guys exist at a championship level. Then tell me which ones are lining up to play in Salt Lake. You work with what you have. Fans are far too invested in titles. As a fan base it's great to have but it's only one fans base out of 30 every year. You want a team that can compete for titles and if they can pull through and win one or more with that core that icing on the cake.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I wrote off Smart weeks ago. Thanks alot! He's a bit of a chucker without a shot. Using my own logic based on the quote, I'll need to reconsider. While I like Gordon's ceiling, he is a few years away to being an contributor. The point you made about Smart being an upgrade even with no shot, is an important one. He can contribute more this season than any other pick at 5. That's important to a new rookie coach of a lottery team in a loaded division, who is aware of his coaching mortality. Early contribution may swing the pick to Smart.

If Gordon is years away from being a contributor then DL might as well pack his bags and head out of town... Or draft someone else.

If the Jazz for 2+ years maintain this WC doormat level of play then peoples' heads will and should roll.

In fact, I would say any projects right now should be ruled out. This #5 draft pick needs to be an IMMEDIATE contributor and building block for playoff teams. Otherwise, we need to look for another prospect or concede that DL just isn't the right guy for the job.

If I'm DL and I'm feeling pressure to improve right now, I go with the player who brings the most immediate relief.

 

[Deleted member 365]

At least at this point, Smart and Randle have been that before. But a point I'm trying to get at is that the Jazz should try really hard to move up. The sanctimonious turds that are married to nice scraps and wouldn't give any up to get a bona fide #1 option are hopefully not in the front office, although I don't know why anyone in the top-3 would trade out. There's chatter about someone slipping out of the consensus top-3 because sometimes teams out-think themselves and fall in love with players below the consensus. If that's the case - for example, if Philly wants Exum and want a return on where they sit - maybe they'll make a deal to get the player they want and more in order to make it happen.

I'm holding onto hope that the Jazz get one of those three guys and I don't know why. But of everyone in play in the top-10, TODAY, Aaron Gordon is literally at the bottom of the list of players that you could build an offense around and the Jazz need one badly. And with all of this talk of him becoming a player that he simply isn't close to being, well, **** in one hand in wish in the other and see what fills up first.

Amen and amen

 

[Deleted member 365]

Hayward and Gordon have very complementary games. I want to see those two play together. Two great basketball minds on the court is far better than one.

Oh hell no.

Plug in Favors... Oh my hell...

Would we ever score? We're literally playing 2 on 5.

Did we learn nothing from the Kiri/Brew experiment?

I really think this new generation of jazz fan has forgotten what a good offense looks like. I think we've forgotten what it takes to score in this league.

Hayward, Favors, and Gordon are essentially non-factors offensively. Burke is inconsistent.

So if we rolled with a starting 5 of

Burke
Hayward
Gordon
Kanter
Favors

You're looking at kanter being your #1 option and relying on him heavily to score 25+ per game.

That starting lineup with bench guys like... Garrett, Gobert Report, and (pissed off And demanding to be traded) Burks is good enough for maybe 12-15 wins next year.

Is that what we really want?